How I got into every UC and the Ivy League

These past months I’ve used College Confidential as a tool for learning and encouragement during the college admissions process. I want to provide this article as a way to thank CC for helping me reach my goals as well as to encourage other students who might have relatively low test scores. As the title suggests, I was accepted into every UC (did not apply to Merced/Riverside), three Ivies - Dartmouth, Cornell, and UPenn, Carnegie Mellon, Cal Poly, and a few other top schools. Below are some of the most important factors that I believe helped me gain admission into these schools despite below-average test scores (SAT 2000, ACT 33).

  • **Look at others as better than yourself.** I always saw my peers as more hard-working than I was, and I always surrounded myself with people who studied hard and got good grades. If I received a B and they received an A I would feel guilty for not studying hard enough (and thus would study harder the next time around). Even those who weren't necessarily academically intelligent were good at things that I wasn't, such as commitment to sports or even virtues like humility. I would learn from them and try to apply those qualities to myself.
  • **Uniqueness in your extra-curriculars.** Over and over I see students who join/lead school clubs. That's great - if it's an honest passion. And I've met people who, as I've been told, wrote only about their commitments to UNICEF or similar school clubs and ended up in top schools. But if you're joining those clubs just to pad a resume, chances are slim that adcoms will take notice of you. Instead, research internships/hobbies that focus on unique topics in your field of choice. For example, if I'm interested in maritime security, I might pursue a boating license and use it to volunteer for or intern with the Coast Guard. I believe that my unique EC was one of the most important factors that made my app shine. Admissions officers only have so much time to skim through your essay and make a case for your acceptance to the committee. Think this way: if an admissions officer only had time to say a few words about you, what would he/she say? With reference to my above example, that would be: "Billy Joe is a boat-licensed volunteer with the Coast Guard who has participated in three domestic rescue searches" vs. "Freddy Sam is a insert school club name member who successfully fund-raised $1000 for his school's decoration committee and volunteered for insert name homeless shelter. He struggled in Calculus and managed to bring his C to an A by the second semester." Avoid the latter.
  • **Be honest and unbiased with your essays.** Your essays should not be flowery. Get to the point. Colleges don't want to know how well you write. They want to know what skills you can bring to their campus. I wrote about the difficulties I encountered while performing my unique EC and how I managed to resolve them. Next, don't EVER point the blame at anyone to make a conflict more apparent. Avoid: "My parents always wanted me to be the perfect kid, but...", "Her accent was too difficult to understand, so...", or "He always made fun of me..." essays unless the story is really good. Finally, try to avoid controversial and political topics. From frog193's article:

“The Stanford admissions officer’s example was if someone was a Democrat and in their roommate essay made it clear that they wouldn’t want a Republican roommate because they care so much about Democratic values that they couldn’t live in the same room. I’m sure that student was trying to show passion, but also ended up sounding like he was not tolerant of Republicans.”

Many people, especially this generation, might think adcoms align with “liberal” ideas (quite a vague term in my opinion). The problem with this is a potential, unintentional display of intolerance towards conservative students as in the example above. The bottom line: I would suggest picking a non-controversial topic to write your essays about.

  • **Understand the admissions process.** Don't just watch videos of admissions officers talking about what they look for. Watch actual footage of how decisions are made, what the committee session looks like and how the officers talk. There are some great videos on YouTube. One thing I learned from watching these videos is: decisions are made very quickly. In order to stand out, you really have to possess something special that can compel the adcom to say "Wow! That's cool!" Try to avoid asking questions via email to the admissions office unless they're specific to your case or absolutely cannot be answered somewhere else (try CC!). Any communication with the office can either paint or degrade your image, but more often the latter since most questions are already addressed online.
  • **Resumes.** A lot of schools, a few Ivies included, have the option to upload a resume. My resume was one page and very professionally designed. You might want to consider adding hyperlinks to specific projects mentioned in your resume as well (builds credibility). The Ivies that accepted me all had my resume, so that might have been a compelling factor.
  • **Score Choice.** Pay attention to score choice policies. They are important. If schools ask you to submit all SAT's, do it. I stressed out so much about this because all of the UCs as well as the Ivies which request you NOT to use score choice could see a low test score I received. I ended up getting admitted to non-score choice Ivies and all of the UCs. Honesty is your best resort.
  • **Major.** Choosing your major is important, and not because a more unique major is easier to get into or vice-versa. The major should align with your interests. Don't just choose CS because it seems to be the most promising field or everyone else is, unless you actually enjoy or have substantial interest in programming and have evidence to prove it.
  • **Recommendations.** If your application allows three teacher recommendations, it's always a great idea to choose one math, one science, and one english teacher. Also take note of any special college-specific recommendation requirements. Look up the Dartmouth peer-recommendation. Finally, if a college is more research-oriented, you might want to submit a letter from a professor you researched with, etc. Otherwise, it's always great to have LOR's from people involved with your unique extra-curricular or others who know you more casually. LOR's should not come from people who know you vaguely, regardless of their position.
  • **Interviews.** Should you talk a lot about your achievements? Stay quiet and just ask questions? The answer, according to the schools I was accepted to, is to have the interviewer steer your interview. Don't do the opposite and steal the floor by talking excessively about your accomplishments. You should allow the interviewer to do his/her job - interview you - and only bring up achievements if asked. Be succinct and to-the-point with your answers. Don't wander off into new topics. Thank your interviewer via email after the session, but don't send more than that unless necessary. Send a final thanks to your interviewer if you've been accepted, because he/she will be a great source of advice; it's important to maintain that relationship in case you need some help getting organized your first year.
  • **Post-Acceptance.** Be polite with the schools you've been accepted to but are not considering at the moment. It's likely that you will change your mind, and you may need some more information from people who reach out to you from those other schools to help you make your decision. And... who knows? They might even offer you more financial aid or scholarship opportunities several days after your acceptance. One of those schools might very well be your intended grad school. Your politeness will probably be remembered assuming the adcom hasn't changed much.

WOWOWOWOW that was such a helpful post thank you so much! I’m bookmarking this :slight_smile:

When I saw the thread title, my first impression was “this is a brag thread”, but I went ahead and clicked on it anyway.

I am glad I did! You presented some very useful information, including some new things even though I have reading CC for a number of years.

My recommendation to you is that if this doesn’t get many more views or posts, you should resubmit the information with a different title.

Do you think it’s worth it to take the SAT and ACT? I mean, if I am applying to Cornell and other top schools, will it help me if I submit both? Right now, I am only planning on taking the ACT. I will NAIL it and get at least a 32, but preferably a 34. Is it strong enough to have one great score, or will I have better chances of admission with a strong SAT AND ACT?

Hey @tytysot, first of all, I’m glad you liked the article!

I took both the ACT and SAT, but only because I did poorly on my SAT after retaking it once more (I took it two times total). I decided not to take it a third time and instead tried the ACT. My score on the ACT was substantially better (using an ACT-SAT score comparison chart). Since you seem pretty much set on the ACT, I would go for it and try to score 33+. If you score 32 or less your first time, take it again. If you don’t get 33+ on the retake, try the SAT. The only real downside is that for many schools that don’t practice score choice, you will need to send in your SAT I scores if you decide to send your subject tests (SAT II’s). And realistically, you’ll probably need those subject tests to get in. Many schools require them - a good combination being Math Level II and a science. Your original question: I don’t believe that having a great ACT and SAT score will put you way above an applicant who took and scored well in just one of them, but obviously the more (good) scores you have, the better. Just don’t retake too many times (two retakes should be your limit for any one test). I would presume that the majority of admits to any school take either the ACT or the SAT and not both, so taking only one would definitely not put you at a disadvantage.

These are just my opinions - hopefully other posters can answer your question from their POV or experiences. I’d be happy to answer any other questions you have!

If I’m applying as a Humanities (International Relations) major, would it be better for me to take a Math I subject test to make up for the 730 math score on the SAT, since I got 800s on the other two, or would it be better for me to take another humanities subject test like US history/Literature? I know that at this point with my scores, it shouldn’t really matter and I’m probably nitpicking, but anything helps.

Can someone link some videos of actual footage in the application process? I can’t find anything, aha.

@masquerade98, I don’t think you should worry about making up your 730 math, especially since your overall score is already 2330. However, if you haven’t yet taken your Math Level II subject test, I would recommend you do. Assuming you’ve already taken Math Level II, it would be very unnecessary/redundant to take Math I. Judging from your 730 in the SAT math section, you should do fine on the Math II test. If you’re applying for humanities, yes, by all means take a humanities subject test as well.

In short, you should have: your 2330 SAT, Math Level II, and a humanities subject test.

It’s important to note that if you’re applying to MIT, you’ll need Math Level II and a science subject test regardless of intended major (you don’t declare a major at MIT until the end of your freshman year). Other schools might have similar requirements. Feel free to ask me if you have any other questions!

@smilingalong, we’re not allowed to post links on CC; however, search Google using the terms “inside the the college admissions process” and click the “Videos” tab. The first page contains several examples.

How do we get good recommendations? Do we talk to the teachers after school a lot or something? I would appreciate any advice. Thanks.

@RiceEater108 Just be a good student, try to maintain an A in the class, and politely request a letter when the time comes. Don’t be too adamant on the deadline - try not to remind your teacher more than once. You can’t really go wrong with an LOR; as long as it doesn’t say anything negative about you everything should be fine. I think of the LOR as a last check after the adcom has already made its decision just to make sure there’s nothing bad about you.

@llama321 Thanks for the tips!

I missed quite a few school days because of sickness, etc. I am afraid that the teachers will write something bad about that, even though it is not my fault.

I am generally a good student and maintain straight A’s. But I don’t really talk to my teachers so much. I mean I participate in class and ask questions. But I don’t consider my teachers my “second parents” or something like that.

If the recs are used as a last check, then do you think I am fine?

Good advice. Just curious - do you have a hook?

@RiceEater108 You should be fine. Most people don’t consider their teachers as second parents :). As long as your relationship with them is good and you haven’t done anything to annoy them.

@NJFL123 Yes, a very unique EC similar to the one mentioned in this post.

On the subject of controversial essay topics: I was considering writing my CommonApp (or maybe a few supplements) on arguing with climate change deniers & bigots on Facebook through the use of empirical evidence and sort of leading that into how that’s helped me develop as a person and strengthen my personal convictions; should I avoid doing that and stick to things that are less polarizing (e.g. extracurriculars)?

@tonystarkofwinterfell Yes, that is what my post suggests - stick to things less polarizing. But I think that if you are really invested in the subject you mentioned, go ahead and write about it. Of course, you will be taking a risk since your reader might not, for example, see an imminent problem with climate change. And readers might not be too fond of a critical attitude. But, your personal statement is a chance to tell readers about you, and if your essay paints an accurate image of yourself, you’ve done your job.

@llama321

Did u have any hooks? Atheletic/artist talent? First gen? Hispanic?

@llama321 Thanks for the helpful article and insight!

Could you tell me about your extracurricular activity or how you developed the passion and figured out what to do?

THANKSS