How is Dartmouth ranked 18th for "Students Dissatisfied with Financial Aid" by PR???

<p>so i came across princeton review's ranking of all the colleges yesterday in which they rank anything from food to dorm life and i found that Dartmouth is ranked 18th under the "Students Dissatisfied with Financial Aid" section. i was really surprised by this because i've always thought Dartmouth has one of the most solid financial aid in the country. is princeton review just flat out wrong?</p>

<p>any current students on financial aid?</p>

<p>link is here (need account to access): <a href="http://www.princetonreview.com/schoollist.aspx?type=r&id=747&RDN=1%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.princetonreview.com/schoollist.aspx?type=r&id=747&RDN=1&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>TPR rankings are funky.</p>

<p>Also, Dartmouth's new financial aid initiative thing started this year, so maybe it was worse before.</p>

<p>TPR did the surveys for their rankings AFTER Harvard, Yale, etc. had announced their new financial aid initiatives and BEFORE Dartmouth had announced it would be implementing a similar program--bad timing.</p>

<p>Under Dartmouth's current FA program, tuition is free if your combined family income is under $75,000/year. The College pledges to meet all demonstrated need for other students eligible for financial aid. All aid is given in the form of scholarships, NOT loans--i.e. you never have to pay it back.</p>

<p>I don't think school really replaces the loan with the scholarship, the loan actually goes to parent's contribution. If you compare the finaid offer between different schools, you will find that the scholarship portion from the no loan poliy school is similar to that of other schools.</p>

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I don't think school really replaces the loan with the scholarship, the loan actually goes to parent's contribution.

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<p>Absolutely not true.</p>

<p>Financial aid is based on the following premise:</p>

<p>Cost of attendance - EFC (parent and student) = demonstrated need.</p>

<p>dartmouth's demonstrated need is met n the following manner; self help aid (either federal work study or employment) and scholarship/grant aid.</p>

<p>However, this does not mean that a student may not have to take out a loan to help pay the EFC, purchase a computer, purchase a plane ticket for their study abroad program, but where the demonstrated need is concerned, Dartmouth meets a student's demonstrated need with out loans.</p>

<p>I can testify to the fact that what Sybbie describes is completely accurate. Dartmouth is meeting our full need without parental loans. S chose to use a loan to help pay for his computer. There were other schools that claimed to "meet need" that would have required us to borrow an amount equal to 2/3 of our annual income every year.</p>

<p>It is the school who determines how much your full demonstrated “needs” is, private schools do not use the FAFSA formula.</p>

<p>The truth is some no loan schools likely to determine that you have less “needs” than other schools, so your EFC is higher.</p>

<p>A true case (class of 2012 with FAFSA of $10,700):
Schools EFC Loan
Amherst $11,000 0
Dartmouth $12,300 0
Wellesley $7,600 $1,600
Smith $8,400 0 (2K loan waived because of a prestigious scholarship)</p>

<p>Wellesley and Smith offered more grants/scholarship than the no loan schools (Amherst and Dartmouth) although the difference was not significant. </p>

<p>My conclusion is that financial aid from the no-loan school is not necessarily better than the aid from other schools which still have the “loan” policy. Of course no loan is good for the student but parents may have to sacrifice.</p>

<p>Because I know of someone who got in without aid but later applied for aid and received neither news nor aid from the school.</p>

<p>Actually, Dartmouth and all of the other schools you mentioned use a combination of both the federal and the institutional methodology. The use the federal methodology to determind your ability for federal aid (pell, federal work study, etc) and the IM to distribute their own funds. Since it is their money, the school decides how to distribute their own institutional aid.</p>

<p>I totally agree with you that different schools will use the same information in different ways.</p>

<p>During My D's admissions cycle D applied to and was accepted to every school she applied to; amherst, dartmouth, williams, barnard, tufts, bryn mawr and Mount Holyoke. No 2 schools offered the same package and there was more than a $10,000 range between the "best" and the "worst" package " </p>

<p>There was a total of $12,256 between the Barnard package and the final offer we got from dartmouth (we used the Williams offer to request a financial review from Dartmouth where she is now a recent grad). However, the Williams package was not the overall "best" package, we were just reviewing 2 comprable schools). </p>

<p>Originally Williams gave more grant money, less in loans (this was before Dartmouth went "no loans", a less student contribution, less parent contribution than Dartmouth. </p>

<p>Dartmouth met Williams' EFC, lowered the loans, and met the grant aid.</p>

<p>Dartmouth's EFC 2221 lower than barnard
student contribution 585 higher than barnard)
Grant money 7720 higher than barnard
loans 2600 less than barnard
work study 300 less than barnar
total 12256</p>

<p>difference between Williams and Amherst</p>

<p>parent contrib 2251 higher at amherst
student contribution 975 higher at amherst
grant money 4906 lower at amherst
loans 3500 higher at amherst
Workstudy 100 higher at amherst
11732 </p>

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My conclusion is that financial aid from the no-loan school is not necessarily better than the aid from other schools which still have the “loan” policy. Of course no loan is good for the student but parents may have to sacrifice.

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<p>If you are looking at the EFC which has to be paid on the front end + the loan which has to be repaid on the back end, you have to look at how the situation plays out in your house. </p>

<p>So if Dartmouth"s EFC with no loans is $12,300 and Smith's EFC is 8400 (because your loan was waived) and the loan s waived for all 4 years, then on paper, smith is the more financially feasible option for your family. Keep in mind that each year, because the student is able to borrow more, the loans will increase. If this is the case in * your house* smith could cost more in the end. But as with everything in life YMMV.</p>

<p>What each family is will ing to pay or borrow for their child's education will vary from family to family. Perhaps for your family, it is a more financially feasible option to attend Smith (which does give merit $$ where the other schools do not. D was given merit $ when she was accepted to Brn Mawr). In our case, if Williams had not met the Dartmouth package, I would have still paid the difference for her to attend Dartmouth (again, YMMV).</p>

<p>Dartmouth gives good fin. aid. I know a friend whose mom makes 75k ish and he got 44,000 a year or something for Dartmouth.</p>

<p>does the dartmouth's financial aid initiatve include room and board for families making well under 75k or is it just tuition?</p>

<p>just full tuition</p>

<p>Well, my S is getting a lot more than just tuition. More in the range that superscs15 cites.</p>

<p>I'm not sure, but I think that they waive tuition by using a Dartmouth General Scholarship, which means that if you're a Pell Grant student, then you'll get Work-Study and Pell Grant and have 4K or less left over to cover. (depending on EFC).</p>