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<p>Not impossible, depending on the field. If you get a couple grad classes out of the way your senior year, you could feasibly get a math Ph.D. in 3 years.</p>
<p>BTW - MOST KIDS AT HARVARD DIDN’T PARTY IN HIGH SCHOOL. This is why you won’t get in. </p>
<p>The “you must be upset” thing is really pretty lame. And the kleenex insult? Seriously, I think that 15 year old might be more mature than yourself.</p>
<p>So no one at Harvard had a life in high school? I’m not talking about getting wasted, smoking pot, and having sex. I’m talking about going out and hanging with friends on a friday night.</p>
<p>Good for him and going to Emory, tell him I said congratulations.</p>
<p>Not impossible, depending on the field. If you get a couple grad classes out of the way your senior year, you could feasibly get a math Ph.D. in 3 years.</p>
<p>That is true. I was just referring to the usual 5 years it takes to get a Ph.D. in the sciences. I don’t know about other fields, but I do know that’s pretty standard in science fields.</p>
<p>Personally, I’m jealous of ZFanatic’s Native American. </p>
<p>I’m jealous of it myself as well. haha. I honestly wouldn’t even have applied to these schools if I wasn’t a native american.</p>
<p>…Why wouldn’t he hang out with friends on a Friday night? He hung out with ME on Friday night. Just because he’s younger than people doesn’t mean he’s some freak who can’t socialize.</p>
<p>Yeah, and he’s really worried he only got in as a token “young” kid. He doesn’t think he’d have gotten if he was 18.</p>
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<p>Yes it would help if Yale clearly had a niche to admit people named Zarathustra. We all know colleges want their “diversity numbers” so a certain number of blacks, hispanics, native americans, internationals, and even asians are going to be admitted.
Just look at Princeton with 7.6 percent of the entering class being black and oh by some “chance” there were also 7.6 percent of hispanics.</p>
<p>^ You missed the point… again! Ding ding ding</p>
<p>(wasnt directed at dbate lol)</p>
<p>^ You missed the point… again! Ding ding ding </p>
<p>haha. That just made my day.</p>
<p>What was the point? Those were non-parallel analogies without taking into account the fact that those with a certain named were desired by the university.</p>
<p>Seeing as you both posted at the same minute, Mal77 was probably pointing to impm5150.</p>
<p>it’s a tip factor, but you can’t rely on it. my brother is a freshman at harvard. we’re white and middle middle class. quick rundown of his stats: 3.6 GPA, 2060 SAT, only decent ECs, non-athlete. i’m willing to bet he got in over some URMs with better GPAs, ECs, etc. harvard will pick you if they really want you, so cry me a river, ORMs.</p>
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…Why wouldn’t he hang out with friends on a Friday night? He hung out with ME on Friday night. Just because he’s younger than people doesn’t mean he’s some freak who can’t socialize.</p>
<p>Yeah, and he’s really worried he only got in as a token “young” kid. He doesn’t think he’d have gotten if he was 18.
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<p>~ZFanatic
Why on earth would you graduate from high school at 15? That’s just dumb. It screams “I have no life, I love books, I’m super smart but I don’t even know how to make friends.”</p>
<p>True? I don’t know, but that’s what it would appear to an AdCom.
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<p>I’m pretty sure I never said he was a freak who couldn’t socialize. I said that’s how it would APPEAR TO AN ADCOM.</p>
<p>And I’d be willing to bet few college students will want to hang out with a 16 year old.</p>
<p>I also love how I told you to tell him congrats from me for getting into Emory, yet you come back with more ridiculous anecdotes about how I’m judging him, and how we are all such bad people for working the system to our advantage.</p>
<p>I’m sorry you didn’t apply to Duke even though you say you could have gotten in. You don’t even know you could have gotten in. Likely? Yes. Certain? Certainly not. </p>
<p>I’m glad your friend is worried that he got in from being a token.
DID THAT STOP HIM FROM GOING?
Didn’t think so.</p>
<p>Edit: I’m enjoying the fact that my thread has become a ****storm about URM’s so quickly. Makes for an entertaining sunday evening.</p>
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<p>First, google the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy and look up “affirmative action,” because clearly you are not even aware of the numerous moral rationales for it. </p>
<p>Second, you have suggested that Harvard’s admissions committee admits people who “didn’t earn the right to go to Harvard.” Interesting. Last I checked, the admissions committee decides who has “earned the right” to go to Harvard, not you. If you are so embittered by their holistic admissions process, then don’t apply.</p>
<p>im black, broke, and speak three languages, they better accept me.</p>
<p>just a random, slightly ignorant comment my mom made today… </p>
<p>“why should [URMs] get in to colleges with lower scores than white people? isn’t that like saying white people are inherently smarter?”</p>
<p>obviously white people aren’t inherently smarter than people of all other races, but i couldnt give her a legit answer that satisfied her…</p>
<p>Atthe end of the day it boils down to this. Colleges want diversity, and since there are fewer URM with fantastic track records than the number of white people with those, They have to be willing to take slightly less amazing (but not subpar by a longshot) URMs to achieve any semblance of diversity in their classes. Fair? No. But it’s not changing anytime soon so Im going to take advantage of it whole I can. I just asked how much of a bump does I’d give you as opposed to being an ORM</p>
<p>Colleges try to develope a class with social, ethnic, religious, financial and to some extent, academic diversity.
Hypothetical: Let’s say that everybody with >2100 on SAT is qualified to attend Harvard and the difference between a qualified score and a perfect score is small with respect to one’s success in college, life, etc.</p>
<p>If 20,000 of 25,000 applicants were white and 90% had > 2100, then there would be 18,000 qualified white applicants</p>
<p>If 2000 of 25,000 applicants were hispanic (or black or Native American) and 50% had a > 2100 then there would be 1000 qualified applicants.</p>
<p>If Harvard want a certain # of hispanic students then they can take those in the qualified group without dipping into a group that they do not feel is qualified. However there would be much more competition for the white students and thus their SAT’s would be higher.</p>
<p>The URM’s aren’t really competing for the same spots as the white aplicants. They are competing with each other.</p>
<p>If the Harvard band absolutely needs an oboe player and only 2 apply, the one with the best credentials gets it regardless of his(her) scores. (theoretically)</p>
<p>This is not a statement for or against AA, but the Native American didn’t really “take” a spot from an ORM or white applicant.</p>
<p>yea this debate is soo old, life isnt fair, get over it!! Every ethnic group has a period in history when they are advantaged or disadvantaged in a certain situation!</p>
<p>op: yea it does give u a bump, but you still have to be qualified to get in. how much?? </p>
<p>JBHE , look at the acceptance rates for blacks at these top colleges</p>
<p>I’m the parent of a white boy who got into Harvard perhaps with a tip from being a legacy. He turned it down for Carnegie Mellon, so I figure I have no horse in this race. I think one has to realize Harvard is not looking for kids with the highest statistics. They are looking to make a well-rounded classes. They want enough athletes to fill their teams, enough legacies to make the alumni feel good about the school, enough musicians to fill two orchestras and who knows how many other music groups, enough top notch academics to keep up their reputation and enough kids with varying backgrounds due to ethnicity, experiences, income level etc to make for an interesting class. I don’t think ANYONE needs to feel guilty about what tipped the scales for them.</p>
<p>This is 58 posts later guys…please tell me the eager young minds of Harvard’s future have something better to do with their time. Can’t you get back to your billion hours spent researching cancer while biking the Swiss Alps??</p>
<p>And it’s not like Harvard and the League isn’t known for loving legacies/URMs. If you don’t like that, don’t apply. I didn’t like that sense of entitlement among many in the applicant pool, so I didn’t send in an app. Never regretted it once.</p>