How prestigious are ivy league universities?

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<p>But name calling is both appropriate and necessary??</p>

<p>Here’s another analogy for you to ponder:</p>

<p>Midwest Universities:Ivies::Brewers:Yankees</p>

<p>The Ivies successfully recruit your best students just like the Yankees successfully recruit your best players (e.g. CC Sabathia).</p>

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<p>Some of these schools don’t have to worry about being mistaken for ivies…</p>

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<p>Of course, I’m just saying. :)</p>

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<p>I’m applying to a few Ivies (and other top schools) for the prestige as well as the experience. Although one could argue that a state school could get you as far as Princeton or Penn, the experience would completely be different.</p>

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<p>The students who are admitted to Ivies were on the fast track to a hotshot career even before setting foot on Harvard grounds. If you have what it takes to get into an Ivy, you can probably make it on your merits. IMO, there are at least a hundred colleges that will give you an Ivy-quality education or better.</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/30/education/edlife/gems.html?_r=2&pagewanted=1&sq=20%20Hidden%20Gems&st=nyt&scp=1[/url]”>http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/30/education/edlife/gems.html?_r=2&pagewanted=1&sq=20%20Hidden%20Gems&st=nyt&scp=1&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>Answer: enough, just like many other schools.</p>

<p>As for 100 schools giving an Ivy-quality education-- that’s seriously pushing it. Not sure if you’ve sat in on classes at multiple places or compared work loads or exams but my experience is not that there are 100 places that offer the same quality. 50 is pushing it, the number is probably closer to 35 if you include LACs with which I admittedly have less access to information.</p>

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<p>toast eater: </p>

<p>I don’t think it’s right to say that Ivy graduates will be “worse off” at lower-level jobs. It’s probably better to say that their frame of mind from attending such high-caliber schools is just that they’re too good to hold such positions. A more conventional way of saying this is that they’re “overqualified”. And this has become rather commonplace nowadays, thanks to the poor economy/job market.</p>

<p>Btw I’m interested to see where you get your information regarding percentages of each Ivy class attending law school, grad school, med school, etc. I highly doubt 40% of each class attends law school…</p>

<p>I think this site really blows the Ivy League out of proportion. Yes they’re great schools, but not every Ivy graduate is going to go out and rule the world. There are plenty of schools where you can get an equal or better education than those offered in the Ivies.</p>

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<p>Brown has some data on these things ten-years out in the Outcomes PDF on OIR. IIRC, 10-15% go to law school, 10-15% get MBAs, and about 20% get an MD. I think a little less than 10% earn a PhD and overall 75-80% earn a degree beyond a bachelors.</p>

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<p>Med school numbers are the applicant totals from the AMA Medical Colleges website while the law totals are from the LSAC site. All totals reflect a ten years out perspective.</p>

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<p>ny yankees-look at this situation-you are running the corporate training program at some Fortune 500 with the goal of ten years down the road producing the the next set of division controllers, regional sales managers, and project leaders. All the new hires are on board. For all the non-Ivy people this is a dream job, a chance at six figures ten years down the road and a four bedroom house in the burbs. It may be a dream job for the Ivy guy as well, except that everyone around and above him is going to wonder when he’s going to leave for law school or some investment bank, and why he is “slumming” at the company. The Ivy guy may work as hard, be as much a team player and really want to be there and make a career as much as everyone else, except that the reactions of his peers and superiors will be different towards him because they willl perceive that he has options which they don’t have. This creates a tension that the Ivy guy has to overcome that makes his wanting to be a division controller a harder trek than if he had gone to the University of Connecticut, Rutgers or Ohio State. In this scenario, an Ivy diploma does put this guy at a net disadvantage, and it has nothing to do with the Ivy guy’s frame of mind. It is everyone else’s frames of mind which becomes the problem for him.</p>

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<p>I don’t see where your 40% comes from toast eater-- </p>

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<p>Looks a lot closer to 20% to me, and I don’t think the number of people who enter law doubles over time.</p>

<p>Looking at Brown’s outcome sheet : <a href=“Office of Institutional Research | Brown University”>Office of Institutional Research | Brown University;

<p>Ten years out we’re at 14%. Don’t pull numbers out of your butt then point out the webpage that proves it.</p>

<p>Just so that you don’t have to click through to see Brown’s 10 years out numbers, 35% masters, 28% MD, 22% doctorate, and 14% law. Oh, and I just realized, that’s of the 75% of all students who get a degree after undergrad, meaning each of those need to be lowered 1/4 to get to the overall student body number. 40% indeed.</p>

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<p>Also, cool story bro.</p>

<p>I could weave my own, but then I’d be talking about a company whose hiring practices I disagree and make myself sound supportive.</p>

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<p>It looks like about 40% to me if you take any one years number and divide it out against the size of any one year’s graduating class. I make the leap of assuming that any one year’s aggregate could be directly divided to account for the over 3 to four year lag in people from the graduating class attending law school. Take Yale for instance, you are talking about 400 to 500 each year versus a class size of 1250 or around 40%. (I think the early year of 03-04 accounts best for the lag.)</p>

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<p>toast eater: I see where you’re coming from with your story. However, I think that your assumptions about the mystique of an Ivy degree are quite exaggerated. In almost all sectors, your alma mater has little to do with anything. Perhaps his coworkers will be impressed that he attended an Ivy, but it’s quite a stretch to say that the coworkers’ attitudes/reactions towards him will change (let alone put him at a net disadvantage) because of this fact. Will they really reflect on their own mediocrity while wondering why their Ivy co-worker isn’t off doing better things? I’m sure that your scenario is possible, but is it the norm? Probably not. </p>

<p>E.g., At my internship, I do the same work as grads from Ivy League institutions. And even though I attend a reputable school, it is not an Ivy. While I recognize the Ivy grads’ intelligence and accomplishment, I have never questioned why they weren’t off doing better things because of what their diploma says. They might be overqualified, but I doubt the reactions of me and my non-Ivy coworkers put them at a net disadvantage. Our opinion is as such: they’re bright people and we’re happy to have them on staff.</p>