<p>Do engineering grads from those schools viewed as 'less intelligent'?</p>
<p>No. It’s not stupid and graduates are still considered “intelligent.” It’s especially not stupid if you’re interested in business, which a lot of engineering students are. In fact, I’d argue that many (non-engineering) firms (i.e. banking, consulting, etc.) see engineering graduates from those schools as more desirable than their classmates since they’ve shown analytical and quantitative strengths. So, while there certainly won’t be as many engineering companies recruiting and their departments are not as well known, the curriculum and research will prepare you very well for many different avenues in life.</p>
<p>Certainly not! Why would you think that?</p>
<p>It would only be questionable to major in engineering at one of those schools if…</p>
<p>it required big debt to attend, and a strong and respected engineering education could be had elsewhere for little to no debt.</p>
<p>I think it would be a mistake if you really wanted to be an engineer. Those programs are pretty weak.</p>
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The programs may not be as well developed as Cornell, but they are far from weak. LOL. The students entering all of these schools are often wicked smart and so the quality of kids coming out of any of these places is potentially exceptional. You don’t get dumber while you’re in school.</p>
<p>The students entering all of these schools generally don’t want to be engineers.</p>
<p>wall street firms definitely prefer engineering majors to social science majors, and top divisions at top banks will take an engineer from Dartmouth or Yale over an engineer from GA tech or UIUC any day, wall street firms pay significantly more than almost all engineering firms straight out of college. A sales and trading role at a bulge bracket bank will work someone straight out of college 60 hours a week and pay them ~90-120k first year after base and bonus. Engineering firms pay 50-70K with a minimal bonus. My guess is that law schools too would prefer Dartmouth / Yale engineers over top state school engineers.</p>
<p>So yes it does make a fair amount of financial sense to study engineering at these colleges.</p>
<p>Engineering firms will not significantly disadvantage an engineer from D or Y because they know that they are smart, it’s that D and Y engineers very often don’t select into engineering positions and so many large engineering firms might recruit on campus at UIUC and not at D and Y.</p>
<p>Isn’t the real point here:</p>
<p>If you wanted to study engineering (even if the final purpose was to go into finance), wouldn’t it make even more sense to go to a school with a reputable engineering program?</p>
<p>Certainly if you got into Brown, Dartmouth or Yale you also got into (or could have gotten into) say, Cornell.</p>
<p>“wall street firms definitely prefer engineering majors to social science majors, and top divisions at top banks will take an engineer from Dartmouth or Yale over an engineer from GA tech or UIUC any day”</p>
<p>really? I really don’t think so since Gatech and UIUC are >>TOP<< engineering schools</p>
<p>waitatshu, top divisions at top banks don’t go to Illinois or Atlanta to recruit. They flock to the schools they think are best.</p>
<p>yea like NYU stern and UMich Ross, def not D or B</p>
<p>I studied engineering, and liberal arts, and I personally feel it is stupid to major in engineering if you don’t want to be an engineer. Because there are a lot more enlightening things you could be spending your precious, only college years learning, absent a vocational need to learn those particular things.</p>
<p>And if you do want to be an engineer, or are seriously interested in doing so, then it makes more sense to me to go to a school that has substantial breadth and depth of offerings in engineering, to best inform your path and education within the profession.</p>
<p>But there are clearly other scenarios and objectives, and clearly some people disagree with me.
For them it is not stupid.</p>
<p>^^^Totally agree with monydad.</p>
<p>And even for people who want to do engineering, it’s not stupid. I see engineers get jobs on Formula One teams, at top computer companies, and do quite well with chem engineering all the time.</p>
<p>You know what they say when you assume things…</p>
<p>Just ask UCBChemEng who suddenly stopped bashing Brown’s chem engine program when he looked at what was offered and who was there and realized while it was not Berkeley it was not as woefully inadequate as many characterized it.</p>
<p>That being said, with all science, it depends on your specific interests (in class, in a lab, and in life), and also depends on what you want to do outside of your concentration time.</p>
<p>I don’t personally think it always makes sense simply to choose based on graduate ranking of your program. For example, Cornell’s SAE car team does better than Brown almost every year-- but they have 5 times as many people on the team and freshman and sophomores have a minimal role compared to Brown students where you’re designing systems from day one. Having that kind of extensive experience is valuable for internships during your time in college and jobs afterward.</p>
<p>It’s all about your specific situation, as are most college choices.</p>
<p>By the way, many Brown engineers turn down much better engineering schools. The ones I know often say it’s because they thought they’d get a better general education at Brown or have a better general education experience here and they valued that as much as their engineering preparation. The ones who don’t come here, I imagine, probably don’t come here.</p>
<p>Another thing is that almost no engineers at Brown take five years to get a bachelor’s (don’t have exact numbers, but I’m pretty sure the percents are not appreciably different than any other concentration). That’s a big financial consideration for some folks.</p>
<p>I wouldn’t waste money there go to a big public school like Cal, Mich, UIUC, Purdue, or UMCP. It will save you money and you will be with people who don’t think they ate better than everyone else.</p>
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<p>If you want to study engineering at a top college with a well balanced student body, you have D,Y,B, Princeton, Penn, Columbia, Duke, Cornell, Harvard, Stanford, Northwestern . I dropped MIT because I don’t find their student body as balanced as the others. All these actually provide a great undergradute engineering education without necessarily having nationally renowned engineering departments. A Cornell undergrad engineering isn’t really more qualified than a Duke undergrad engineer even though Cornell is ranked well above Duke. Between these 10-15 schools, there are huge differences in fit that lead people to apply to say brown instead of Cornell.</p>
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<p>I’ve seen where top divisions at top banks recruit and been through the recruiting process for wall street, Dartmouth definitely gets more attention than either Ross or Stern (though not by much for stern)</p>
<p>“I’ve seen where top divisions at top banks recruit and been through the recruiting process for wall street, Dartmouth definitely gets more attention than either Ross or Stern (though not by much for stern)”</p>
<p>Sources please…</p>
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<p>different strokes for different folks, you can’t assume that your personal preference should apply to anyone outside of yourself. That’s like saying all who study economics should do so only if they intend on becoming economists. I have found my engineering classes to be more “enlightening” than humanity classes (although both are enlightening). There still is a real value in mastering the analytical and quantitative concepts in an engineering degree. </p>
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<p>ok, but what about future earning potential? A cheaper university is not necessarily the better one. Going back to wall street the earning potential in a trading / investment banking / private equity role amply makes up for the extra cost within a matter of a few years, let alone if we begin to account for one’s entire life. If school X is more expensive, but also places people better in higher paying jobs, school X could be a better option. If you want to go to med school, and you have to incur a huge debt to go to Upenn vs. UCB, then I’d probably advise you to go to UCB.</p>
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<p>Firstly why do you assume that ivy leaguers (and the like) think they are better than everyone else? Do you base most of your opinions on stereotype? Secondly if your goal is to be with people who are perfectly modest and humble, perhaps you should look at community colleges (although I’m not even that sure they’ll be that humble)</p>
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<p>I don’t have access to Michigan or UIUC career websites (if I did I could probably prove it to you), but I have friends at GaTech, Michigan, UVA all of them agree that most top banks do not bring their best divisions to these schools. We have discussed opportunities available on campus and it is true that fewer top management consulting firms and top divisions at top banks come to Michigan for undergrad recruiting and UIUC as compared to Columbia, Dartmouth or Yale (I have friends at Yale and Dart as well). I quickly looked at a few companies which posted campus schedules, you can compare the offerings at different schools:</p>
<p>jpmorgan:
[Campus</a> Schedule](<a href=“http://careers.jpmorgan.com/student/jpmorgan/careers/us/schedule]Campus”>http://careers.jpmorgan.com/student/jpmorgan/careers/us/schedule)</p>
<p>Mckinsey(interviews for Mich, for example, are invitation only as opposed to on campus):</p>
<p>[Home</a> | US Schools | US Schools Recruitment](<a href=“http://www.mckinsey.com/careers/us_schools/home.aspx]Home”>http://www.mckinsey.com/careers/us_schools/home.aspx)</p>
<p>a couple of top prop trading firms Jane Street and SIG:</p>
<p>[Jane</a> Street » Recruiting Calendar](<a href=“http://www.janestcapital.com/apply/calendar.php]Jane”>http://www.janestcapital.com/apply/calendar.php)</p>