<p>I think there was a total of 2 helpful answers to my question.
Arguing over CC is dumb.</p>
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Watch American Pie. That covers fruit.</p>
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We answered the question, then went off on bestiality.</p>
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Two questions. Do animals have to be killed in that process? And are crops necessary to survive?</p>
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Unless you eliminated insects and rodents from the fields, yeah, they’re going to get killed. And crops are necessary for society to survive at this point; aren’t you all for society?</p>
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<p>It isn’t cruel because you aren’t torturing them for their entire lives. It is quick and relatively painless. Compare this to the food industry’s methods it isn’t cruel at all.</p>
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<p>I thought posts 4, 5 and 6 all had pretty solid advice.</p>
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Especially 5. Can’t believe we’re really arguing over whether or not bestiality is okay.</p>
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Lol, did you forget my position and how we got to talking about the killing of animals?
You’ve still failed to provide any valid reason against it.
Lol. Your logic is invalid. If I kill you but don’t torture you, it’s okay?</p>
<p>I actually know a lot of farmers that open their gates and tell the steer, “If you want you can go now, otherwise we’re going to kill you and sell your meat.” And guess what, the cows stay. Sounds like pretty clear consent to me.</p>
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Conversely, I imagine many animals fight the sexual advances of creepy guys.</p>
<p>[I</a> think we have our answer.](<a href=“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWPfhpHCLDM]I”>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWPfhpHCLDM)</p>
<p>^^^ The definition of cruelty is the deliberate infliction of pain or suffering. If you kill painlessly that isn’t considered cruel.</p>
<p>[The</a> Habsburgs, or…the Advantages and Disadvantages of Incest - Hoffstrizz](<a href=“http://www.hoffstrizz.com/2010/02/the-habsburgs-orthe-advantages-and-disadvantages-of-incest.html]The”>http://www.hoffstrizz.com/2010/02/the-habsburgs-orthe-advantages-and-disadvantages-of-incest.html)</p>
<p>Nice link. Entertaining, for sure. Like The Borgias.</p>
<p>European families always did incest nothing new. But the Borgia’s were a corrupt nasty family that got around, so much that all royalty in Europe are related to them, even to this day. </p>
<p>Look at the Egyptian family the Ptolemy’s they didn’t want to mix with the Egyptian people in fear of ruining their pure blood, they were Greek. Which is why Cleopatra had a rather large nose, despite Hollywood calling her a beautiful woman.</p>
<p>And Will & Kate are 12th cousins. That’s a modern example.</p>
<p>Really? People know Kate Middleton-Mountbatten-Windsor’s ancestors 15 generations back? I call ********.</p>
<p>Everyone is at least 50th cousins. Any two random English people will be much closer than that.</p>
<p>yea they are </p>
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<p>I know its daily mail, but I couldn’t find another picture.</p>
<p>In small towns incest is almost universal.</p>
<p>In churches, incense is almost universal.</p>
<p>Catholics [noparse]:rolleyes:[/noparse]</p>