According to this, UChicago Class of 2017 had 1426 students in the beginning. I could not find the number of students who graduated
The only thing that the UM data shows conclusively is that you need to be a top grad from a top school, with top MCAT scores to get into a top med school. Not really that surprising. So I would be very surprised if a top grad from UChicago with top MCAT scores didn’t get into a top med school.
@CU123 You are very right, and although I understand that Med school is not an easy path, the question is how comparatively easy it is for a student at UChicago to acquire this top MCAT score and top GPA compared to other undergrads like ones at Brown. In other words, if a talented person got a 517 MCAT and 3.8 GPA while at Brown, would this same person, if placed into UChicago for 4 years, have resulted in a 517 MCAT and 3.8 GPA with the same/similar efforts? Or, if a talented person at Brown gets accepted to UMichigan Med school, would this same exact person, if placed into UChicago for 4 years, also have gotten accepted into UMichigan med school, assuming he worked with equal effort/diligence in both settings?
You’re really cutting hairs here as you can see how many applicants from top schools didn’t make it past the interview. In both cases you would be getting interviews at top med schools, but at Brown you would most likely have a higher GPA due to grade inflation. As far as the MCAT goes, I would assume the same with similar effort. As far as actual acceptances go, that is highly dependent on the interview.
@nrtlax33, my daughter was in Bio major. Her orgo was a big class (guess it’s less than her gen-chem class). I only knew her grades but not others’, so can’t comment on the grading. The prof’s normally published the mean/medium and std for each test. She took roughly 4 classes per quarter the first two years, 3 classes per quarter junior and senior years, and finished one quarter earlier. She had some HS AP credits that could count towards the 42-class requirement, but she took all of med school prerequisite courses in Chicago.
1st Yr:
GenChem 11100 series
Math 15300, Stat 22600, Bio 20150
Huma 16000 series (Core), Bio 20152
Sosc 14100 series (Core)
2nd Yr:
Ochem 22000 series
Bio 20186-20187-20188
Art/Music 28400, Huma 16200
Spanish 10100 series
3rd Yr:
Physics 12100 series
Bio 20190, and Bio upper div electives
some Human Right, Psychology, and sociology electives
4th Yr:
HMRT 10100 series (Civ Core)
2 more Bio upper div electives for the Fall and Winter quarters.
Spring quarter: relax.
She studied MCAT in Winter quarter of Junior year, took the MCAT test in Spring, and applied in Summer 2016.
Hope this is helpful to current and future Chicago premeds
According to https://careeradvancement.uchicago.edu/uchicago-careers-in/health-professions/pre-health-faqs
I would think this is a negative indicator since UChicago students have to score higher than others at MCAT to compensate for their lower GPA.
While this is impressive, many top medical schools are missing from the list and University of Michigan is on the list :-/ :-/
@nrtax33 assumes that the only reason for a high school kid with MD aspirations to go to college is to get maximum leverage in the Darwinian struggle to get into Med School. I can’t say he’s wrong, given his assumption. Why waste all that time studying Weber, Aristotle and the gang of DWM’s in a variety of fields remote from your goal? That’s a diversion of your time and powers that puts you at a disadvantage with kids at almost any other school. Then there’s grade deflation to reckon with, not only as a general phenomenon at the U of C but as an aspect of studying material in the Core that’s not in your comfort zone. Then there’s all those nut cases loose at that school!
My fond hope is that there’s a subset of kids who have the right stuff to become doctors who also want to be exposed to the broader education the U of C mandates. If you’re not interested in that broader education, follow the peerless advice of nrtlax33 and go to Brown.
@nrtlax33 A very stark observation from that acceptance list you provided is the exclusion of top tier med schools such as Duke, WashU, JHU, Stanford, or Ivies, even though the same kids who apply to med school from UChicago are nearly equal, if not superior caliber to ones from undergrads of major pre-med powerhouses like UPenn, brown or JHU, even though these latter students get many more acceptances to the very top tier of med schools, especially within the ivy league. Could this be a result of a weak advising program at UChicago, or just a negative view of UChicago undergrads for whatever reason amongst the top med schools?.
@ccdad99 The Class of 2017 had 1,426 students who matriculated in the fall of 2013, and 1,396 students who received bachelors degrees in May 2017. But there were 181 other students who received bachelors degrees in the Winter, Summer, and Fall quarters of 2017, for a total of 1,577. That may have included transfer students and students who started out in some other class, but all that will even out year to year.
2016 was a bigger class, starting with 1,527 students, and graduating close to 1,700. I think 2017 was smaller due to the closing of Pierce.
A single class isn’t even so relevant when you are looking at medical school admissions, since the people who apply to medical school in any one year may be drawn principally from 4-5 different graduating classes at their undergraduate institutions. That’s a better answer to my point – the medical school applications from Chicago for 2013-2017 actually probably reflect classes from 2009-2017, and the earlier classes in that array were meaningfully smaller. The Class of 2012 had only 1,308 students on Day 1, and the Class of 2009 1,199. That was comparable to Yale/Princeton/Dartmouth classes, maybe even a little smaller (except for Dartmouth). (In the past 13 years Chicago has increased its entering class size by more than 50%, with over 1,800 students expected to enroll this fall.)
There is an amazing wealth of information like this in the Quarterly Statistical Reports that can be accessed through the University of Chicago Registrar’s web page. https://registrar.uchicago.edu/page/end-quarter-statistical-report-booklets It’s especially great for looking at what majors students are choosing.
“I would think this is a negative indicator since UChicago students have to score higher than others at MCAT to compensate for their lower GPA”
This is difficult to interpret since we don’t have the mean MCAT score for all UChicago students. One interpretation is the one you make, another interpretation is that UChicago students simply have higher MCAT scores.
According to Brown Health Careers website average science GPA of Brown students accepted to medical school is 3.69 while the national average is 3.64 for Fall 2017 with similar figures in previous years. Does this mean Brown students have to have higher GPA’s to get into medical school? Probably not.
Similar to UChicago but to a lesser extent, accepted Brown students have higher MCAT scores than national average (511 vs 510.4)
I just love the idea of a parent who has no kid at U of C and knows no one at U of C but somehow based on a few subjective articles at the Maroon (who has its own bias if you are a regular reader) can come up with the unsubstantiated innuendo that “a large number of students seem to have mental issues there”.
If that were a presentation at the Money and Banking workshop, I doubt that this paper will get beyond the first 10 minutes before it would be mercilessly cut down because of its lack of rigor.
@85bears46 : Denial is the worst response to the mental health issues. UChicago even took the efforts to shut down UChicago Secrets on Facebook (https://www.chicagomaroon.com/article/2017/5/25/secrets/)
Censorship from the school proves that the problem is much more widespread than recognized. North Korea also does censorship. UPenn, Columbia also have mental health issues but they choose to face it instead of sweeping it under the rug.
@ccdad99 : According to https://www.aamc.org/download/457506/data/percentileranksineffectmay12016toapril302017.pdf
514 is 92 percentile.
510.4 is 85 percentile.
So you think
and
are the same? I though people from UChicago at least know a bit of math.
By the same token, you think GPA 3.64 and GPA 3.69 are so different?
@aguo123 : Read https://www.brown.edu/academics/college/advising/health-careers/medical-admission-data-snapshot
Let’s just say that Brown’s students are much more successful at applying to med school and they are much happier than students from other schools. Some people love depression and some love taking a lot of courses. If you don’t, Brown is a better choice … that is … if you can get in. I personally know one person who got into Harvard Med this year from Brown without a gap year, among many other successful cases.
BTW, medical school rankings are crap. Read http://talk.qa.collegeconfidential.com/discussion/comment/21614283/#Comment_21614283
@nrtlax33 No one says that U of C has no mental health issues concerning students. A rigorous academic program in a cold city is not necessarily the most enjoyable IF you are not the right type of students. But please provide solid number of students seeking mental health as percentage of population of students. And also please compare that number to peer institutions before making sweeping comment.
Are you seriously using Facebook number of likes to substantiate your argument? How long have you been reading Maroon? Is Maroon an academic journal that needs to go through peer review before publication?
I thought Brown people had at least some intellectual and scholarly sophistication.
I have been wondering why UChicago has so many secrets? Admissions office has big secrets, mental health office has big secrets, etc. The fact is that students in UChicago can’t even get a mental health appointment when needed. Are you denying that? This kind of attitude from school administration and people like you is exactly where the root of the problem is.
@nrtlax33 Quoted from my post #34: “No one says that U of C has no mental health issues concerning students.”
Do Brown people have reading comprehension issue?
If you are upset at my unsubstantiated generalization of Brown people, I am just giving you a taste of your own generalization of U of C student mental health issue without solid numbers backing your claim. Please do some substantial research on your own instead of just quoting Maroon. All the Maroon articles you quote are opinion pieces. And Maroon is not Journal of Political Economy or any equivalent academic journal.
@85bears46 : People on this forum need to read the truth and make judgement for themselves. Obviously you think all the facts are just opinions. Let’s just say that " long wait times both for internal appointments and for referrals to mental health providers outside SCS" is a ** fact **. People who have mental problems might not be able to wait that long.
Read https://www.chicagomaroon.com/article/2017/1/27/understaffing-student-counseling-causes-delays/
Seasoned observers in this forum (whether they are alum, parents or current students) will be able to distinguish between anecdotes and a general trend. One data point is not equivalent to the whole picture.
If I make the generalization that Brown is full of laid back slackers, do you think I can’t find a few real life examples? In fact recently I just talk to a current Brown student who agrees that there are plenty of humanities students at Brown that goof off all the time. But would I assume the majority of Brown students are slackers? Of course not. Anecdotes are just anecdotes.
U of C is a hard school. Of course, there are students that may struggle mentally. But I won’t leap from a couple of stories from the Maroon to “A large number of students seem to have mental issues there”.
Please feel free to sing praise of your beloved Brown. I have friends that go there and it is a great institution. But please take your unsubstantiated generalized innuendo about U of C elsewhere.
He is from brown. He is probably typing while he is high on drugs. Lol. (See what I did there? Everyone can make unsubstantiated arguments based on hearsay.) LOL
But seriously to the OP, if you think you will hate the Core, don’t go to UChicago - it will make it way harder to get a decent GPA for Med School. That is assuming of course that you will get into both schools. No one goes to UChicago thinking they can simply coast and still get an A.