<p>How many cross admits do HYP have every year ? maybe silverturtle has data on this ?</p>
<p>All are a crapshoot. I knew a guy who was rejected from Duke but accepted at Harvard. With the top 3 there’s really no telling.</p>
<p>There aren’t too many cross-admits, actually. Otherwise, the schools couldn’t keep their yield rates up.</p>
<p>@phuriku: my impression is also that cross admits are a low percentage. If it is for the reason you state (keep their yields high) how do they know who the other school is accepting ? do they exchange information or better, do they know how each school makes its selection? If so, then that is worth finding out because it would also give us clues on our own chances to each school.</p>
<p>I think there are hundreds of cross-admits. Not all of the people who don’t go to Harvard, Yale, Princeton or Stanford, but most of them (adjusting for people who turn down multiples of them). Of the students I have known at Harvard recently, most were accepted at at least one of those other schools (and several at all of them, or all to which they applied). And people who go elsewhere – as for the glossy full-ride merit scholarships at Duke, UNC, Michigan – are often HYPS cross-admits, too.</p>
<p>As far as I know, none of these schools get a whit about keeping their yields high. Their yields take care of themselves. And since they are essentially looking for the same people, it’s not too surprising that often they agree on who those people are. Rightly or wrongly.</p>
<p>@JHS: is there a way to get precise data on this?</p>
<p>Never that I have seen. But the speculation is at least somewhat logical.</p>
<p>I have seen a bunch of people turn down Harvard, but almost always for Yale or Stanford. Occasionally Princeton, or one of the scholarship situations I mentioned, or some real outliers, like mathmom’s son or the boy I knew who went to the Indiana U dance conservatory. And MIT. So, of the four hundred or so people admitted to Harvard each year who do not enroll, I think a conservative guess is 300 are going to YPSM.</p>
<p>Now, the revealed preference study is not all that, but I don’t think it’s terribly wrong either. If 300 or so people are turning down H for YPSM, there are probably 500+ people turning down one or more of them for H. Some of that may be double counting.</p>
<p>Then I fudge my numbers more, to be conservative, and try to back out an estimate for MIT. I think there are probably somewhere around 500-900 people who are cross-admits at two or more of HYPS.</p>
<p>From my personal observations:
Student #1: Accepted at Harvard, Yale, and MIT, Waitlisted at Stanford and Princeton
Student #2: Accepted at Princeton and MIT, Rejected at Yale, Waitlisted at Stanford
Student #3: Accepted at Harvard, Yale, and Princeton
Student #4: Accepted at Harvard and Yale
Student #5: Accepted at Yale, Rejected at Princeton</p>
<p>Alas, I cannot deduce a recognizable pattern from the above info. I think that Harvard and Yale have a greater correlation with their admits, as do Princeton and Stanford.</p>
<p>I do not have precise data on this. Given the increasing competitiveness at top schools, I assume the number of cross-admits is discreasing as a result of a degree of arbitrariness.</p>
<p>Here is my theory:</p>
<p>Every February, the schools have a draft. They strategize, they trade draft picks, they speculate who will pick what, but in the end, there are maybe 500 draft picks. HYPSM get most of them, but Columbia, CalTech, and a few other places get a few too. For example…</p>
<p>So Harvard goes first, and picks the guy who is already a renown writer and poet within the entire Anglosphere.</p>
<p>Yale and MIT, knowing that they have different tastes, traded their early draft picks to Princeton so they could get more later.</p>
<p>Princeton chooses the guy who found the next ramanujan prime (MIT winces, realizing its mistake), the one-eyed black orphan from Namibia who taught himself English and now writes the leading satirical magazine for his country, and and the dean’s daughter (MIT is known to like to screw Ivies by picking their faculties’ children).</p>
<p>Stanford chooses a guy who actually wrote a good roommate letter.</p>
<p>Yale gets the Nigerian prince who can’t get anyone to hold his money while he escapes to the States.</p>
<p>Back to Harvard, which chooses the guy who invented his own disease, and then proceeded to infect twenty monkeys with it to see what would happen.</p>
<p>MIT chooses the guy who invented his own OS… That Bill Gates stole and turned into Windows 7.</p>
<p>And so it continues. MIT snaps up most of the Intel winners, Yale gets its famous/interesting people, Harvard gets people who only like to do one thing, Princeton wishes it hadn’t traded so much for early picks, and everyone in the room wonders what the hell Stanford is doing. By the end, the 500 best kids in the nation are all chosen, and they’ll fill out the rest of their classes with athletes, legacies, URMs, the (lucky) 2400 valedictorians, former child prodigies, and some people who are going to faint (in a good way) when they see their decisions.</p>
<p>I think that’s how it happens.</p>
<p>Thanks for the amusing post, christiansolider. :)</p>
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<p>Yep, but this is small in comparison to the number of total admits.</p>
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<p>I agree with this, and I think this is probably why the top schools have been able to keep their yields up. Before the past few years, people didn’t apply to the number of schools that they do today, so keeping yields high wasn’t too big of a problem. However, now, with the number of schools students are applying to, arbitrariness has been increasing.</p>
<p>My observations:
I know 2 people who were both Intel top 10 with near perfect stats.
One was accepted to Harvard, Yale (EA), Princeton, Stanford, MIT, and a state school. He chose Harvard.
The other was accepted to Stanford, MIT, Yale, Princeton, CMU, JHU, and a state school. Other random places he did not apply to also granted him admission. He got waitlisted by Harvard because he didn’t submit his whole application. He chose Stanford.
Neither was rejected by any place. Both received several likely letters.</p>
<p>Christiansoldier,
I can tell you don’t know any Intel Winners personally. I also know 2 other Intel winners who went to my school, one just graduated from JHU’s BME while the other goes to Case Western. Not everyone is crazy about HYPSM.
In reality, I suspect if you are an Intel winner with decent stats and plenty of other extracurricular, you will be admitted to every college you apply to.
12 days until Intel Semifinalists are announced! </p>
<p>“Yale gets the Nigerian prince who can’t get anyone to hold his money while he escapes to the States.”
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LOL</p>
<p>“MIT chooses the guy who invented his own OS… That Bill Gates stole and turned into Windows 7.”
MIT people pull hacks on Harvard people, not the other way around!</p>
<p>Suppose each of HYPSM has a class size of 1200 and admit 2000, 80% of the admitted choose one of them, and waitlists do not exist, then there are 2000 duplicates. Suppose the average of these people applied to 3 of HYPSM, then there should be about 1000 cross admits out of the 10000 total admits. This is a terribly flawed method of estimation, but I don’t think the actual result should be too much off.</p>
<p>Actually guys, I’m pretty sure Christiansoldier is right on the money.</p>
<p>Christiansoldier, another golden post from you. Thanks again :)</p>
<p>Christiansoldier’s post was funny as hell</p>
<p>You just made my night</p>
<p>I’ve got to agree, Christiansoldier’s post is possibly the funniest thing I have read on CC</p>
<p>You guys know those money boxes? Where people climb into a transparent box and try to grab dollar bills that are flying around inside the box, and however many dollar bills they grab is however many they get? That’s what Stanford does with applications.</p>
<p>Really Jaddua, well I prefer that to the method at MIT. I hear that everyone in the admissions room take an applicants folder and makes a paper airplane out of their application. Next they all go outside and set up several heats and each trial, which ever plane makes it the farthest is an automatic admit.</p>
<p>LOL</p>
<p>I wish we had a rep system at CC…</p>