I Don't Like Volunteering

<p>What if I don't really enjoy volunteering? I'll be doing NHS, but only because it's an academic honor society and I can get some good experience volunteering. But I really don't want to go out of my way to volunteer. It makes me nauseous when my Asian friend tells about how he volunteers at the hospital and is a member of the Boy Scouts and teaches kids all this stuff. I just don't see the joy in such activities.</p>

<p>Is there a way I can make up for this? In my community, everyone and their mother volunteers and you're considered social scum if you don't. One of my temporary college choices is Princeton. Would a college of this caliber frown to the greatest angle on an applicant with little volunteer experience? By the way, I do have a part-time job, research projects, extensive music background, and a few academic leagues under my belt.</p>

<p>I'm kind of in the same boat as you. Not that I don't want to help others, but I've got a lot of other stuff on my plate. I've got a 15 hr/wk job and I'm happy with it, so I think that's got to be somewhat comparable to the volunteer "work" experience. In fact, I've seen a few people argue that a real job is more impressive to some colleges because it shows that you are responsible and can deal with the accountability of being employed (that's why we go to college right? to get a job?). Most volunteering is flexible and not as strenuous schedule-wise as a regular job.</p>

<p>maybe i just like to think my job experience is useful, but i do see the logic</p>

<p>just my $.02</p>

<p>Well, I'll ignore what Princeton would think about this, because I have no idea.</p>

<p>What you should do is find something you like.
You say you like music- what about mentoring younger kids in that?</p>

<p>Personally, I wouldn't want to do the things that they volunteer with in hospitals (far too much paperwork...). I like to build homes and wheel chair ramps and the like. You just need to find what you like.</p>

<p>I volunteer at the hospital weekly, and I can tell you that I usually get no joy out of it, but life itself not always fun and games. I figure I can sacrifice some of my time to help the people who need it.</p>

<p>That said, I don't think volunteering is a necessity, as long as you're able to demonstrate that you do something else that's productive with your time.</p>

<p>I'd find something I like if I knew I'd like something. I just have...well...sub-par people skills. I find it very difficult to teach anything, especially if I'm trying to teach somebody younger than me that hasn't learned what I have. I'm much better behind the cameras.</p>

<p>But I'm one of those people that likes to do things for self-enjoyment. Is that well-received yet by colleges, or is it still a tad bit progressive? I suppose this would vary a bit depending on the school.</p>

<p>Well -- at least thnx for your honesty. Your academic potential will be the greatest determinant of your admissions/rejections. However, if I were an adcom for an LAC or selective school and knew what you wrote, then I'd pass you up in a hot second. While you may not be painfully selfish, why should I take the chance? In case you didn't know, everyone enjoys things that are for self enjoyment. That's the base line. Don't be surprised that society in general frowns on your perspective</p>

<p>Not that you should go out and volunteer just to boost your chances. Clearly don't do that.</p>

<p>either get a paying job that leaves you "no time" to volunteer or get creative about volunteering in such a way that you do not have to be touchy feely with a lot of people you do not know. Offer to design websites for organizations, film videos or do photography for groups in your community. Try asking the PTA at your school if they need any technology work done or photographing auction items or whatever your talent is. Not all volunteering is based on teaching or working directly with people. Many groups would welcome help in the office or behind the front lines. Maybe Habitat for Humanity? I know they have positions for people that are unable or unwilling to get out and swing a hammer. If you really do not want to do it-don't. You could give it a try though, you might like it. Good luck.</p>

<p>I can tell you that at Princeton (and other schools of similar academic caliber), there are certainly students who weren't/aren't big on volunteering. Of course some students are tremendously excited about volunteer work. But other people would rather pour their lives into an extracurricular, or research, or whatever, and there's nothing wrong with that. </p>

<p>So long as you have well-defined passions, colleges aren't going to look down on you. At least, this has certainly been the case for many people I know.</p>

<p>well, i find it incredibly sad that there are so many that care so little about others, about animals, about the world beyond themselves</p>

<p>truely truely selfish, self involved, shallow and actually pretty mean</p>

<p>A person from my school is currently attending Princeton having done 0 hours of community service all throughout high school. He was a math and physics genius though.</p>

<p>I don't like volunteering either; and I detest how this college process is forcing it's students to spend 100+ hours volunteering.</p>

<p>No one likes volunteering. The percise reason for it is to do grunt work that makes you miserable and teaches you lessons that you can be a slave too. (For most volunteering jobs, any idiot can do it, why take someone of high potential and caliber? You dont need a IQ above -1 to serve soup at a kitchen.)</p>

<p>Volunteer a little bit to show you're not a complete ***, but its not that important if you are excellent in your other EC's, so dont worry</p>

<p>" It makes me nauseous when my Asian friend tells about how he volunteers at the hospital and is a member of the Boy Scouts and teaches kids all this stuff. I just don't see the joy in such activities."</p>

<p>As a person who volunteers a lot, and has always volunteered a lot, I am disappointed to learn your viewpoint. I don't understand why you wouldn't want to volunteer to do something to make the world a better place. I have no clue what kind of person could be nauseated to hear about someone else's volunteer work.</p>

<p>I also wonder why if you think that volunteering is so awful, you yourself have posted on CC asking for others' advice. You have been the recipient of thoughtful advice several parents (including me) who responded to your post asking about financing college. All of those people were volunteering their time to help a stranger -- you. Does that nauseate you?</p>

<p>"No one likes volunteering. The percise reason for it is to do grunt work that makes you miserable and teaches you lessons that you can be a slave too. "</p>

<p>Lots of people, including me, like volunteering. Volunteering can range from so-called grunt work to chairing boards of major nonprofits (and doing this can require as much work as running a company) and organizing activities such as fundraisers or other projects that have thousands of participants. </p>

<p>I enjoy volunteering because I like to do things to help other people, and I also feel that I have benefited from many privileges that I didn't earn -- things like having the good luck to be born in the U.S. instead of in a repressive country or a country where due to poverty, there's little access to health care and education. </p>

<p>I also have found volunteering is a wonderful way to make new friends (some of whom may have been people whom I was helping), learn new skills, and brighten my days (Yes, volunteering really is fun -- if you have the good sense to volunteer with organizations that interest you, and to do work with those that matches your interests).</p>

<p>My current volunteer work includes: serving on the board of the local March of Dimes (delighted to do something to help reduce the numbers of preemies and kids with birth defects. Younger S was a preemie, and is alive in part because of research organizations like the March of Dimes funded), serving on a committee to select plays for a local community theater, planning a variety of social justice-related activities connected with a spiritual organization; assisting with a local meditation group; serving on the board of a local organization that is involved with a social justice issue that I support; helping build a new retreat center for a spiritual group that I'm connected with; providing nonviolence training for teens and adults.</p>

<p>Earlier this year, I also was news editor of a community nonprofit newspaper (unfortunately, it folded, but I had a blast working with the writers. We even broke one major story ahead of our local professional daily paper). I also spent a week in the Caribbean teaching journalism to high school students. I was invited to do this due to my professional and volunteer background, and my way was completely paid.</p>

<p>Things I've done over the past few years as a volunteer range from: soliciting, reporting and editing news stories to facilitating nonviolence workshops to running a national scholarship and internship program to picking up trash in a depressed neighborhood, and serving breakfast to homeless people.</p>

<p>"For most volunteering jobs, any idiot can do it, why take someone of high potential and caliber? You dont need a IQ above -1 to serve soup at a kitchen.)"</p>

<p>So what if one does a job that someone of lesser intelligence can do? That doesn't mean the job isn't enjoyable and fun.</p>

<p>Two weeks ago, I spent a Sat. morning feeding the homeless in a program at S's college. The person who organized it was one of the most impressive people I've ever met. He is 21, graduated magna cum laude from S's college last spring, and while in college created a nonprofit to feed the homeless. He runs that nonprofit while working a fulltime job that pays him $70,000. He also lives in a townhouse that he bought with money that he earned through investments (His dad gave him $2,000 to invest when he was in high school, and by making some very savvy investments, by junior year in college, he had enough money to buy a house.)</p>

<p>Anyway, while "any idiot" may be able to ladle soup, some of the most impressive people I have ever met devote part of their time to doing things like feeding the homeless. For instance, a friend of mine whose dad was a U.S. senator grew up spending her weekends volunteering with her family (and no, they didn't do this for political reasons). As an adult, she continued with her community service work, and by age 26 was heading a community service organization in a big city. Now in her early 30s, she is heading a national service organization. She is a really nice person -- thoughtful, not flashy, and is very committed to helping others.</p>

<p>I really feel sorry for people who think that volunteering is nauseating, a waste of time or something that only idiots do. While one gives a lot of oneself by volunteering, in my opinion, if you volunteer with organizations and causes that you care about, and if you utilize opportunities to use your talents and expand your skills, you'll find that by giving to others, you get a lot more for yourself. "A lot more" = skills, fulfillment, networks, impressive experience, etc.</p>

<p>I don't have a problem at all with people who don't want to volunteer, as long as they are the ones writing the donation checks.</p>

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Lack of people skills + the lack of truly wanting to help people through volunteering = rejected at Princeton</p>

<p>eternitygoddess and rootbeercaesar: You have attitudes that make people of my generation just shake our heads.</p>

<p>eternity: you hate how this process is forcing kids to volunteer? No. It rewards kids who are socially aware and not selfish. No one is forcing you to leave any island you wish to reside in. Just know that society in general favors those who are not selfish. So will your kids.</p>

<p>Society also rewards those who don't drive 100 mph in neighborhoods. </p>

<p>rootbeercaesar: I genuinely hope you get a chance to visit a third world country to work or serve (not as a tourist). The hard fact is that under one percent of the world's population even ever get to attend college. Volunteering a bit to show others one isn't an **** doesn't preclude the fact that one might truly be a selfish ***.</p>

<p>As far as "any idiot" being able to do the work: go tell the idiots who will be changing your aging parents' bedpans or diapers, who will be combing their hair in the nursing home, who will watch your kids as noon lunch-aides, or the lady who sings a song at a loved one's funeral how much you think of them. U really need to grow up</p>

<p>JBVirtuoso, my DD doesn't have "tons" of volunteer hours either, but not because it would nausiate her. There are issues with transportation, time constraints etc., that she just needs to work around. How about peer tutoring before school? DD does that 2-3 mornings a week. How about organizing a group of you to take trash bags and walk your city streets and pick up trash? You would be amazed how many beer/soda cans are thrown out of cars that you could take to the recycling center. My point being that if you don't like "traditional" volunteer activities or have problems like my D with transportation to those, be creative. Do you have an elderly couple that live on your street? Offer to mow the yard for them or sweep their porches. A simple act of kindness towards another will make you feel good, Princeton acceptance letter or not.</p>

<p>T26E4: I do find the way college admissions treats volunteering to be unfortunate. It diminishes the reward for the kids who actually care and would be volunteering anyway, because they don't stand out as much, and it makes genuine volunteerism look like resume-padding. And I think that's sad.</p>

<p>To the OP,</p>

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It makes me nauseous when my Asian friend tells about how he volunteers at the hospital and is a member of the Boy Scouts and teaches kids all this stuff.

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<p>While I can see not wanting to do these activities yourself, I don't understand why hearing about other people's volunteerism would make you nauseous. And what does your friend's ethnicity have to do with anything?</p>

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I'd find something I like if I knew I'd like something. I just have...well...sub-par people skills. I find it very difficult to teach anything, especially if I'm trying to teach somebody younger than me that hasn't learned what I have. I'm much better behind the cameras.

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<p>You don't have to do touchy-feely things to volunteer. You can contribute to an open-source software project, do web design or sysadmin work for a humanitarian agency, fix people's broken musical instruments for free, be a score-keeper (or something else that doesn't require much in the way of people skills) for the middle school academic leagues, and so on.</p>

<p>That said, I don't think less volunteer experience will keep you out of most schools, or even most "top" schools. Contrary to what seems to be popular belief, colleges don't normally have a checklist of "sports", "leadership", "volunteer work", and so on where you have to have all the checks or else you won't get in.</p>

<p>"T26E4: I do find the way college admissions treats volunteering to be unfortunate. It diminishes the reward for the kids who actually care and would be volunteering anyway, because they don't stand out as much, and it makes genuine voluntarism look like resume-padding. And I think that's sad."</p>

<p>I agree with you 100%. The enormous pressure that applicants to the selective colleges feel pushes them and their families this way. Like the $4000 junkets that parents sometimes send their kids to to some 3rd world country to "get touchy feely" with the poor brown kids (my sarcasm here) in order to boost their overall chances w/the adcoms.</p>

<p>I've interviewed some kids with these and sadly, it's obvious that their level of engagement ended when they set foot back on the airport.</p>

<p>I read thru this thread and think NSM's spirited defense of volunteering is admirable. I hope it changes the OP's view of volunteering; the attitude I get from his post is "me, me, me".</p>

<p>On the other hand, I think I can understand how someone can feel "nauseated" by the volunteer work others are doing. I'm mind-reading the OP here, I suppose, but here it goes. For many kids, the volunteer work is not genuine and from the heart. It's just part of the checklist to get into a top school. 3+ years foreign language. Check. AP courses. Check. Volunteer work. Check. It's another example of Gresham's law, the bad money driving out the good. Perhaps once upon a time kids mainly volunteered because of an inner desire to help, and top colleges rewarded that sentiment by favoring those kids in admissions. However this is no secret any longer; many parents push their kids into volunteering, at prep schools the counselors make sure the kids know early on that to get into a top school they ought to volunteer, some HS's even require it.</p>