<p>If there were a way to cheat the test by using easy tricks that can be learned in preparatory classes, perfect scores would be common.</p>
<p>You cannot learn reasoning skills in a few months that should have developed over years.</p>
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<p>One can, though.</p>
<p>^Excuse the grammar; I’m not in SAT mode.</p>
<p>^ you can be used to mean one.</p>
<p>^^And how is that?</p>
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<p>Which post are you referring to?</p>
<p>LOL at this thread.</p>
<p>“One can, though.”
That is what I am referring to.</p>
<p>Interesting thread. It does occur to me that , really, what is needed is a test that measures likely college success. The reasoning SATs do a fairly poor job of this, but continue to be used for a variety of reasons - some good, some bad, some indifferent.
College success depends on many factors, including intelligence and preparation and will power. The reasoning SATs are moderately correlated to intelligence and preparation but are also about as well correlated with family income. They are a lousy instrument for finding smart kids in terrible schools. They are at least somewhat coachable. They seem to have a least some cultural bias.</p>
<p>I don’t think SATs correctly measure intelligence, but in that sense nothing really does. GPAs can be raised with studying and practice, so why is it bad that the same goes for SATs? At least SATs are STANDARD, the same for EVERYONE taking them. I feel as if they are more of an “equalizer” to account for grade inflation and the likes, rather than to directly “measure intelligence.” </p>
<p>If anyone cares, my SAT score is pretty “horrible” for people on this site (2070) but I do get much higher grades than people with higher SAT scores than me because I try harder and some people don’t do their homework. Even so, I tend to do better in certain subjects without a ton of studying just because I’m good at them. I don’t really know which of us is smarter, the one with the high grades in 4 AP classes, or the one with the 2360 SAT score.The SAT is used to examine ONE PART of the applicant and to compare said applicant to all other applicants more effectively in that ONE aspect of the application. However, it is not the ONLY part of the application.</p>
<p>There’s really no point in arguing if it’s an effective measure of intelligence because that’s really not what it’s meant to do.</p>
<p>On the College Board website itself it says “The SAT is a globally recognized college admission test that lets you show colleges what you know and how well you can apply that knowledge. It tests your knowledge of reading, writing and math subjects that are taught every day in high school classrooms.” It says nothing about intelligence. It’s about your knowledge on how to take the test, whether it is innate knowledge or practiced. Let’s face it, someone completely dumb most likely can’t get a 2300 without compromising the other factors of his or her app due to excessive studying.</p>
<p>“Taking the SAT is the first step in finding the right college for you the place where you can further develop your skills and pursue your passions. But SAT scores are just one of many factors that colleges consider when making their admission decisions. High school grades are also very important. In fact, the combination of high school grades and SAT scores is the best predictor of your academic success in college.”</p>
<p>I don’t love the College Board, but I think things are pretty well explained in those two paragraphs.</p>
<p>agree with rainbowrose…
I feel like the test honestly doesnt show college preperation. It shows how good someone is at answering multiply choice questions. My cousin who got a 1600/2330 never recieved amazing grades(B student) , but when he got to college, he did much worse. He recieved a D(after receiving a 5 on AB Calc) in Calc 2 ( took it again and got a D the second time). Another girl a year ahead of got a 1440/2100 (B student also) and failed calc 2. My friend ( in the same class) got an A he had a 1350/1990.</p>
<p>Obviously they are just good at multiply choice questions.</p>
<p>Obviously SATS aren’t a perfect measure of intelligence or college-readiness, etc. but I get annoyed by the inferiority complex that bad test takers (with high GPAs especially) tend to have.</p>
<p>See, that is why I believe SAT does not correlate with IQ. I am one of those people who cannot do well on the SAT, but I’m very good at school. I guess you can say I’m more of a bookwork rather than “intelligent”, which does not make sense because I don’t study either… I guess I’m just very good at school tests, but I cannot take a standardized tests. Hell, I do good on AP exams, too! I don’t know what my problem is, maybe it’s just the SAT. I get my ACT score on Sunday, so let’s see if I’m good at that test.</p>
<p>The SAT does measure intelligence. It measures what psychologists call Fluid Intelligence; the ability to reason quickly in order to solve problems.</p>
<p>After all, the SAT is a timed to test. And, if you’re a good test taker, you can do decently well. That is because a good test taker can use logic, and reason there way to the appropriate answer using what some may call “test taking strategies”.</p>
<p>I only skimmed the first two pages, so this may have been said before, but GPA is more the measure of a different type of intelligence. It’s a measure of Crystallized Intelligence - your general knowledge, facts, and experiences. Not to mention, your work ethic.</p>
<p>In that sense, a person can do bad on the SAT and have a good GPA or vice versa.
Thus, GPA is not a greater measure of intelligence. The SAT is not a greater measure of intelligence. They are like two sides of the same coin.</p>
<p>However, fluid intelligence can be used in a variety of situations. Crystallized Intelligence is only used when it applies.</p>
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<p>Yes, but I hadn’t labeled the two types of intelligence as you did, though I agree.</p>
<p>^^^How do you quote posts like that?</p>
<p>@r0kAng3l: Without researching, I’d say that SAT correlates with your IQ, or at least more so than GPA.</p>
<p>Simply put, from what I vaguely remember about IQ tests, they are logic/pattern based. You have to reason out your answers, it isn’t based on prior knowledge.</p>
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<p>If that’s the case, then no I do not know how to respond to certain things quickly. That is honestly my weak point, and I really need to work on that haha. Yet, when it comes to knowledge I do know then I’m very good at it. Which is why I said I’m probably more a book smart than anything. I learn something, then maintain it. I like to read articles online and learn something new. The thing about the SAT is the whole time thing. With the ACT, it was all basic knowledge that I learned throughout high school. The SAT was more about knowledge that you gained even as a child. Plus, I procrastinate so I do NOT study… So, my scores never really increase ahah. If I can have anything, it would be the ability to take a test well. Yet, once I start taking the test, anxiety starts to overrun my brain and I just don’t even try. I swear, it’s so weird and I have a problem…</p>