<p>kids in china commit suicide because they don't get into a top HIGHSCHOOL. that is whack.</p>
<p>If you ask me, when a person contemplates suicide over not getting into X college, or even because of a senseless score on some entrance exam (in the grand scheme of things, who the HELL cares where you went?) that person has their priorities grossly out of whack. And can you imagine such a fkked up control freak becoming your boss one day? He/she would create misery for everyone. It's good such people are removed from the gene pool, b/c obviously they have already been f 'd up by their parents and society.</p>
<p>P.S. If you need to go to X college for your own validation, you're not gonna get it. It may take you a while to realize but you are not going to receive validation from money, girlfriends, a great job, etc.. You can only receive validation from yourself. The sooner you learn that the better. It's funny because its plain as day yet most of you readers will still go about life ignoring this.</p>
<p>I figured Jimbob was joking and i found it pretty funny</p>
<p>Yet Jimbob claims he knows his friends so well that he knows they would never have any of those kinds of feelings</p>
<p>What Jimbob ignores is that often the feeling of wanting to end it all is temporary and many people get help, talk to someone who actually cares, and despite what he says, most people really care...and when someone does take their life, perhaps they don't see the light at the end of the tunnel, and are afraid to tell people they are feeling that way because they are afraid they will react with cruelty and not caring like we have seen here.</p>
<p>Sometimes just listening can help someone, and saying, hey, don't give up, right now it seems like there is no hope, but believe me, you are to valuable a person and I would miss you and just keep talking to me, I am hear to help and listen</p>
<p>ANd to send them to someone who can REALLY help</p>
<p>I had heard about a young man who wanted to hurt himself, I took action, made calls, talked to his parents, etc. That was what I could do. And he got help.</p>
<p>So, to think you can't help someone is just not true, you can help a person, if you can help them get through one more day get them help, talk to their parents, counselor, teacher, and see the signs and take them seriously, that is a help</p>
<p>I Swear To God Im Going To Do Something Terrible, If March 30 It Says You Got Rejected From Berekely Because Im From Freaking Ny.................im Not Even Joking, If I Dont Make Berekely Im Goint To Be In The Same Boat As THAT GUY.....if I Dont Make It, My Lifelong Hardwork Is Down Drain.....
** Then There Is No Point Of Living **............im Totally With That Guy</p>
<p>When I first read "Not life material," I thought it was hilarious. After reading the replies, I guess this post isn't a joke... and that statement was pretty wrong on very many levels.</p>
<p>Just thought I'd share that yes 80% of suicides are male, but the breakdown of those who attempt it between males and females are fairly even. This statisitc is due to the fact the females tend to not damage their bodies when attempting suicide. They perfer stuff like overdosing. Men on the other hand have no problem with blowing their head off.</p>
<p>Also, being Asian, I know that education is taken WAY more seriously in the East than here. To most that is the only way to climb the social and economic ladder. Kids in Japan prepare their whole life for one rigourous test (WAY more serious than the SAT). If they pass, they are pretty much guaranteed employment at a top company. If they fail... they pretty much failed at life according to many's standards.</p>
<p>"To even think that shows you are truely clueless and arrogant" citygirlsmom, that statement I have to say is completely baseless as out of all of us here, I think I know my friends best and im quite confident of my statements correctness</p>
<p>Second, someone stated that if Jimbob's grandparents died, then we shd be devoid of sympathy. Thats not even a correct analogy
IF... you lose a match because the ref. cheats, then u can feel sorry for the people who lost... IF... U lost because u played like fools, then you oviously deserved to lose...</p>
<p>"Kids in Japan prepare their whole life for one rigourous test "... same in India. My viewpoint is that this is complete idiocy as the final product of the few who get thru are robots and not humans who work for 12 hours a day 7 days a week for 4 years. No EC's no sports and a good part of the personality is lost...</p>
<p>So, rather than sympathising with people who mess up and kill themselves... u gotta spend ur time with condemning the system. I agree that the system pushes hard, but the mature and prepared as Jimbob said will push back and not go over the edge...</p>
<p>My reason why I believe so is the saying that
"Suicide is the cowards choice"</p>
<p>The only difference between college admissions here and in Asia is the amount of people in competition and the fact that there are so few reputable colleges. Thus, the top colleges can afford to be extremely selective.. The test you refer to that occurs in India I have heard of, for those who don't know the test decided your whole future; what to major in and which college you will end up at, if any. You say that it makes them robots, well sure it does but it's the only way you can survive in countries like India especially. Everything you learn high school in the u.s. is taught before 8th grade, courses are more rigorous and stacked on top of each other. You may think it's unfair that a test decides your life, well, you don't think the sat has the same effect? Will a college even look at your application, no matter how spectecular it may be, if your sat score isn't high enough? I believe now at least our society is shifting that way, and it's much more honest that way.
Many people believe that a good college will guarantee you a good job and a decent life, well let's assume they are correct for a moment. To get into a good college you need good academic grades, high sat scores, and ecs. The first two are required everywhere, the last one is a problem because people will find a way to manipulate it..What I mean by this is people will join sports teams not because they love to play the game but to get a letter and a college recommendation, I'm not saying everyone is like this but many are. People will do internships and research not out of interest but out of self advancement, in other words all applications will become homogeneous at some point, so, why bother in the first place? I'm not advocating the Asian system but I'm just saying in Asia you know what you need to do to succeed. It all comes down to ability, the people who do best on that test are the smartest and they end up becoming the doctors, lawyers, engineers, politicians, etc of society. To a great extent the same thing happens in America just here money will buy you a greater education. Yes, they are robots in every definition of the word, but so are the college-obsessed persons of the present day youth who do their best to fake "passions"... If you think about it, it seems somewhat paradoxical, how can someone who is obsessed with their grades and future college choices care about anything more then artificially? On the flip side, how can those extremely passionate about sports, writing, etc dwell in the structured environment of school..
Finally, as I said before at least in the way our society is set up there are so many colleges that it hardly matters where your degree is from as long as you have it and got something out of it... This guy threw away his life and if anything its a crime and a damn shame</p>
<p>You say you know for sure about your friends, and I have to tell you, you would be very suprised...by pure statistics, and least one of your friends at some point has considered suicide, not acknowledging that is just not understanding people</p>
<p>You may know your friends well, but people keep alot to themselves</p>
<p>Your attitude may stop a friend from being truely honest with you about their feelings and fears, because you have such judgement and harshness to those going through stuff</p>
<p>Realize that with young people, a lot of what you see is cover and appearance to hide what is going on inside</p>
<p>It is really sad to me to see such cruelty in young people about their peers who are suffering, and to call them weak and losers</p>
<p>SO sad indeed. And once again, no one knows their friends so well to see into their souls and see pain that they often hide, especially if their friends are so judgemental to others who they see as "weak"</p>
<p>"Suicide is the cowards choice"</p>
<p>Would you be more or less likely to reach out to a friend about your depression if you knew he would consider you a coward?</p>
<p>I think that it makes perfect sense that suicide is an act of cowardice - and selfishness. Just think about it.</p>
<p>no its not.....suicide is an act of honor.................depends on how you commit it and even culture........Japanese Kamikaze Pilots were doing it for honor for their country......its all about honor in many cultures</p>
<p>look. be repectful towards the dead, OK? have you guys no shame? coming here and disrespecting someone who, unfortunately,decided to take his/her life.</p>
<p>going off the above tho, its the sense that you let your men die in battle and that you dishonor their deaths by living (surrending/giving up) when they gave up everything they had. However, JKP's was not a choice you had it was a death sentence you were bound to accept or put your family in jeopardy.</p>
<p>Yet to say suicide is cowardish is ignorant. People are brought up and live in their own world's. Family, culture, people, media push it onto students that they NEED to get into good schools. Of course there are students who dont work to get where they are, but there are also those who have to struggle fiercly to get into schools that some of you guys think "suck." No offense, but a lot of the people on these boards are narrow-sighted in thinking that someone taking "easy" classes only does so becuase they do not want to work hard to get into college.</p>
<p>You have kids today working far above their capabilities. It'd be like randomly taking people from these boards and throwing them into a top-notch football program and telling them that if they don't "cut" it that they arent a success. Do you honestly think everyone here could survive that? Let alone be the best?</p>
<p>But that is the situation some kids are in. Getting themselves over their heads, and no one around them realizing it. So when the student discovers that his tremendous work are not paid off; they can't accept anything else. The world that society created for them now has no place for the student so they kill themselves.</p>
<p>Happiness, however, is not taught at schools or promoted. They don't care if students are depressed or having a tough time. They care about money like anything else, and as a result you get these kinds of situations. Is it sad? Of course it's sad, but society does not want to accept that not everyone can be the all-american football player, the siemens winner, or the success that parents "percieve" of others.</p>
<p>Give someone a REASON to live that is not pass fail, in out, black white, and theyll have something to ALWAYS live for. Yet, that's not easy, and our society is all about the easy answer. It would be funny if it wasn't true.</p>
<p>First, when I posted about suicide, I was referring to it in a broad sense relating to our western culture and society. People of different cultures view thing differently. In the past, widows in India were encouraged to commit suicide when their husbands died. That, and the kamakazies, are very different from what this post is referring to. Also, if you kill yourself to save a friend, that is not you average suicide. When I posted, I was speaking in a broader sense.</p>
<p>To the many that posted life is hard and there's a lot of stress on students, I absolutely agree with you. However, I can't help but feel that suicide is like giving up. Life is hard but all of us live it. I can't help but feel that ending one's own life is like "taking the easy way out."</p>
<p>If suddenly EVERYTHING was taken from you: Home, familly, friends, anything that meant something to you; how would you honestly respond? And no im not saying suicide is the answere but can you imagine how hard it would be to carry that?</p>
<p>Obviously its a different and exaggerated situation, but for some kids their "world" is college; its just how theyve been brought up. Its like saying someone in the Hitler Youth should have had the common sense to defect; but it was just how they were brought up something out of their control.</p>
<p>It's not right, it never is. But dont blame the individual; blame the environment that created it.</p>
<p>Its like in 1984 or Fahrenheit 451, they knew no other world to see things differently.</p>
<p>I said suicide is an act of cowardice. I never said the one who committed it is a coward. I do however, think that had the person not chosen to take his or her life, I would have considered them courageous.</p>
<p>I believe in choice. I belive in hope. I believe that no matter how badly you f<strong><em>ed up or got f</em></strong>ed, you always have a choice to walk down a path for the better. It may not always be easy, but the option is always there. I have never known anyone who committed suicide, but if I did, I would imagine I probably wouldn't say "Yeah, your situation's so messed up, I think it's best if you killed yourself." I don't believe that suicide is ever the best option available. There is always something better.</p>
<p>Well, that's all very true, but we're rational people. Many people who contemplate suicide have imbalances that impede fair, critical assessments of life situations and self-worth.</p>
<p>slak, this guy didnt have his family or his stuff taken away. He got rejected at a college.... if that was his life, then u cant blame me for questioning his priorities...</p>
<p>"I don't believe that suicide is ever the best option available. There is always something better." Obviously... If u keep a straight head and dont get too crazily emotional about a loss which means nothing in the broader perspective of humanity, all will be fine</p>
<p>If this man has mucked up the only chance to save his country or something monumental that affects many deeply, suicide is still not a good idea but is fairly justifiable. If he didnt get into a college, he is stuck on
1. He is a failure
2. College prestige is proportionalo to success
Both are utter B.S and thats why I think he has his priorities all messed up and that culminated in the loss of a life that should have lived and justification of his deed which isnt right</p>
<p>Finally, from a clinical perspective, Suicide is in direct violation of fundamental and human rights. Justifying it and coverinbg for it is wrong as its attempt is a punishable offence.</p>
<p>Yeah cuz people who kill themselves are totally in their right minds.</p>