<p>". the discussion was about race playing a factor in admissions. It's an appearance of things, and it's undisputable. Anyone who says otherwise is wrong, igorant, or doing it on purpose. PERIOD.
However, some people (i don't want to point to who that is, i hope you're smart enough to know it's you) dodged this point completely and jumped to the conclusion how racial diversity is important."</p>
<p>Sooo...., someone "jumped to the conclusion how racial diversity is important" while the discussion was about race playing a factor in admissions.</p>
<p>Jeez, that really was "wrong" and "igorant [sic]!!! Sheesh!!! </p>
<p>Bay, prove that race doesn't play a factor in dmissions. Show that people didn't skip around the topic of discussion on this thread.</p>
<p>If you can successfully show it logically and reasonably (which I'm really eager to hear), i'll say I'm wrong. </p>
<p>However, I believe no one so far have been able to prove that, not to mention almost everyone agrees. (note, don't try to jump to different points or put words in mouth. I'm only describing a scene, an event, not saying whether it's good/bad.)</p>
<p>PS seems like Bay is just so perfect he/she never had a typo before! kudos!</p>
<p>Obviously race plays a factor in admissions.</p>
<p>What you guys aren't getting here it seems, is that this is a matter of phrasing.</p>
<p>By saying that colleges "add" and "subtract" numbers to your SAT based on race (which is what a person on this thread claimed and what the study cited is clearly trying to do), you are clearly attempting to leave people with a negative impression of affirmative action. It is a debate technique to ensure that people will be disgusted. </p>
<p>On the other hand, by saying that colleges try and create a diverse student body when making their admissions decisions, you aren't creating a negative impression on anyone (unless the person you are talking to is vehemently anti-diversity). </p>
<p>The two phrases mean the exact same thing (theoretically), but one is for the purpose of getting people to oppose affirmative action while the other is for the purpose of getting people to support.</p>
<p>Sorry about the typo thing, I just couldn't resist. But don't forget you are the one calling others on this board ignorant!!</p>
<p>With respect to your point, my dumbfoundedness was caused by the fact that it is OBVIOUS to me (as pointed out by Just Browsing), that using race in admission decisions and the importance of racial diversity is one and the same argument. They are inextricably entwined. Debating one without the other is an incomplete argument. I do not dispute that race is used in admissions. It most definitely is! The reason race is considered in admissions is because universities want a racially diverse student body, and they have never made a secret of this goal.</p>
<p>I didn't call anyone ignorant.
I said anyone who says blah blah blah is ignorant.
I don't know if anyone on the board said that, I was just trying to make it clear.</p>
<p>It's just like saying anyone who thinks 1+1 = 3 is ignorant. Did I point to anyone on this board?</p>
<p>next, someone posted in the first page that race doesn't play a factor. I was trying to say it was where the argument was, not about how important or right (I mean at the beginning)</p>
<p>Sorry kenny, but you are wrong and should apologize. Here is what you said,</p>
<p>"Everytime when we're discussin how races matters, some ignorant people who doesn't know how to discuss/debate talks about how important racial diversity is. we're not talking about that! We're talking about what is happening, not judging its correctness (or at least, during the first part of first page)"</p>
<p>I (and at least one other) talked about how important racial diversity is.</p>
<p>I'm sorry, but you never posted on the first page. you joined half way in.
I apologize for arguing with you, someone who joined half way through rather than the original post and the original focus of this thread.</p>
<p>Again, I apologize for not being clear enough which resulted in your misunderstanding of my post. </p>
<p>" We're talking about what is happening, not judging its correctness (or at least, during the first part of first page)" </p>
<p>I was refering to the first page, if you've read my thread, but again I know it's my fault that you aren't able to understand. I should have expressed my ideas in a much more understandable way.</p>
<p>I am not sure what is the big deal. I read the first page and all I can see is where someone claimed that race is not the deciding factor in admissions. Well, that too ought to be obvious. It is not like the schools are going "whups. There goes a white guy. Kick him out. There goes an Asian. Kick him out. Whoa! Black guy! Well hello my black friend!." Race is just a factor in the process, along with gender, economic status, first generation status, home conditions, personal circumstances, and whatever else comprises the person applying to the school. It would be fairly arbitrary to intentionally ignore race when it is so very important a factor in how we as individuals are treated in America.</p>
<p>Yeah, me too. I hate it when people notice I'm Chinese and expect me to be able to speak the language. I usually reply with something along the lines of
"Yeah, the only thing I can say is wo yau tse bing chi ling."
"What's that?"
"I want to eat ice cream" :)</p>
<p>I think I'd be much prettier as a white girl anyway. Or an Indian girl. But then I'd probably be expected to speak something else entirely.</p>
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<p>a) Never mention racial issues on College Confidential. Everyone goes nuts.
b) My dad's part of the alumni-network at a top 10 university, so every year he gets the list of people who've been accepted to said school. According to him most accepted students put their actual race down rather than leaving it blank. Hopefully that answers your question.</p>
<p>I am white, but I have a last name that sounds Hispanic (actually, I know some Spanish people with the same name). Incidentally, quite a few of my ECs and awards are for Spanish: leadership in school language club, placement on state Spanish exams, volunteer work for local Hispanic community, etc. Will it hurt or help my chances if I left the Ethnicity box blank?</p>
<p>My apologies, I didn't realize you were waiting for something! I agree that Asians have historically been treated badly, as have Irishmen, Italians, Jews, Mexicans, Blacks, gays, the disabled, ... (and I'm sure I'm forgetting many others).</p>
<p>I have already admitted that race is most certainly used as a factor in admissions. It is outrightly stated as a goal of most university to acheive a racially diverse student body. </p>