I want to be an engineer and Cornell is way higher than Penn. what should i do?

[tenebrousfire]

<p>again, i think we all agree that in science and engineering, cornell has the edge in every area except biomedical science and biomedical engineering</p>

<p>for example cornell nanotech owns</p>

[Tboonepickens]

<p>

cornell has the edge in every area except biomedical science and biomedical engineering

</p>

<p>yes, and in this area, they are so similar that it would be to the OPs benefit to choose schools based on fit instead of minutea rankings/employment opps. If you are doing anything related to science, there is no area in Penn that will “out do” the similar school in Cornell. They may be tied in biomedical engineering etc, but Cornell cannot be beat by Penn in science.</p>

[lauke]

<p>Penn’s engineering department ranks low because of the unorthodox way of teaching engineering. </p>

<p>For example, Systems engineers can choose to concentrate in missile defense systems, transportation systems, logistics systems, financial systems, and so on. The only other reputable systems engineering program in the U.S that allows for such variety is the Defense Acquisition University, a governmental institution. REGARDLESS of what you choose to concentrate in, you’re going to end up taking courses in Wharton and do some form of financial engineering. Penn’s ESE department is geared in that way. </p>

<p>Bottom line: We don’t create pure engineers. We enhance the analytical abilities of a student for the business world. Thus, we will always be ranked low in engineering. Even Penn State beats us because Penn State places more engineering jobs than Penn. Come here, and you’ll see that engineering students taking Wharton courses will have the highest grades because of their engineering background. Wharton students are almost afraid of engineering students because they’re considered to be smarter.</p>

<p>When I go to huntsman for a class, I say that I’m an engineer. When I go to Towne for a class, I say I’m a Whartonite. I’m both, but my reputation seems to be better if I say it like that.</p>

<p>As for BME and anything biology-oriented, apply or go to Johns Hopkins. While we’re only a few ranks below Johns Hopkins, the gap between a JHU education in bio and a Penn education in bio is incredibly large. JHU bio is well above Penn in nominal terms, although rankings don’t indicate that.</p>

[tenebrousfire]

<p>but above all, rely on fit</p>

<p>which is why many of my bioengineering friends (and myself) who got into both penn and hopkins bme are at penn, even with a lower-ranked program</p>

<p>if you aren’t so fond of cities, go to ithaca
if you need urban bustle, then perhaps philly or baltimore</p>

<p>atmosphere… people… food… (FOOD! cornell has amazing food!)
these are so very critical</p>

[Rudess]

<p>Don’t listen to those who tell you to choose Cornell because it is stronger in sciences and/or engineering overall. As has been said, you should focus on which school feels best to you. Both are excellent schools and both degrees will allow you to go as far as you want.</p>

<p>Further,</p>

<p>

. Most top technical/engineering firms do not even come to Penn to recruit. If you’re interested in business, maybe you can justify going to Penn for engineering but even then, I think Cornell is a better choice, as many business firms routinely employ Cornell Engineers. About half of the on-campus interviews done at Cornell are for Cornell engineers (source: Cornell Career Services Website) – they are very heavily recruited. At Penn, you could probably say the same for Wharton, but since you will not be attending Wharton, that will not matter. In fact, I would say it’s a disadvantage to not be in Wharton there, for this reason. Engineering is to Cornell as Wharton is to Penn.

</p>

<p>The above quote is blatantly false. All of the top technical/engineering firms come to Penn to recruit. Many business firms routinely recruit Penn engineers as well; look at the career surveys. It is not a strong disadvantage not to be at Wharton for anything. If there is one thing you can’t advertise about Cornell that Penn doesn’t have, it’s employment opportunities. Penn engineers have access to and end up at the very best positions in the industry. I don’t have an opinion on Cornell, but you can’t be dissing Penn in this respect.</p>

[nj_azn_premed]

<p>NO!!! NO you don’t. You, Cornelian fiend, will not misinform prospective students on OUR board. </p>

<p>

Quote:
Plus, overall, Penn is just so much better than Cornell for a multitude of reasons (not the least of which is campus life, mortality rate, and employment opportunities </p>

<p>You have got to be kidding me. Campus life on Cornell is great, and you haven’t even lived at any college yet to legitimately give advice on campus life. Maybe the employment opportunities are better for Wharton students, but you’re not in Wharton and neither is the OP so that doesn’t really matter. In fact, I would say that it’s bad to go to Penn engineering for the business route. Why? Because the Wharton kids will take your job.

</p>

<p>Subjectively speaking, find me one source (besides those that are obviously biased) that rates Cornell’s campus life higher than Penn’s…The employment opportunities are outstanding for SEAS students at Penn. Did you even look at the link I posted? Obviously not. SEAS students regularly get placed into GS, JP, BoA, etc as well as places like Google, Cisco, MS, Lockheed, BMS, etc. Penn engineers have absolutely no problem finding their way in finance (33% of last year’s grad class went this route), consulting, or industry. To say that the outcome of an education in Penn engineering is in some way inferior to that of Cornell’s is a blatant lie. And, as you would have seen had you bothered to check the career surveys, SEAS students have no problem getting positions in finance jobs. As lauke mentioned, the ability to take finance classes at Wharton to supplement SEAS courses is a level of interdisciplinary education that Cornell can’t even come close to matching. If anything, engineers out of Penn have more flexibility and viability in the current job market, since they’re not bound to the business sector, but also have the ability to get the Wall Street jobs. Ironically, Wharton is one of the main reasons this is even possible. </p>

<p>

In summary, Cornell Engineering is at least as good as Penn Engineering for business placement, etc. Whatever sort of business placement you can get at Penn Engineering, I guarantee you can get at Cornell Engineering as well (just look at the career reports above). Additionally, Cornell Engineering is a million times better than Penn Engineering for most engineering placement as well. Cornell offers broader career opportunities and is therefore the better choice.

</p>

<p>No…Penn ousts Cornell with business placements for all the reasons I already mentioned. Yes, whatever business placement you can get at Penn you could theoretically get at Cornell. But Penn has the clear edge when it comes to reaching beyond the industry and Cornell has the edge for people wanting to remain within it. This has already been pointed out repeatedly by people on this board. Penn SEAS is by far the more pre-professional of the two colleges and Cornell SEAS certainly has the edge in raw science/engineering. This is EXACTLY why I chose Penn over Cornell, because I’m looking at an engineering education for its practical applications, not so that I can become a researcher/professor/industry slave. Next time, try reading the statistics before you start ranting, Cornelian.</p>

[Rudess]

<p>nj<em>azn</em>premed, thanks for a much better reply to Cornelian’s poorly supported claims.</p>

[nj_azn_premed]

<p>My pleasure entirely :)</p>

[Brown_man1987]

<p>Here is a private message I received from a Penn Engineering Student (username: Pearlygate) in 2007:

@Private Message From Penn Engineering Student

Well there are several things, for starters I’m internationals studying Comp sci so things may be different for you.</p>

<p>ok let’s see for starters:
~ Penn does not offer CPT (the term for intern co-op credits that only applies to international student) classes, most other universities offer such classes. This makes things harder for me to do internship because there are many “paperwork maneuvers” that I have to do in order to be able to work.
~ IMO the computing facilities is a bit lacking… no dedicated SEAS computer especially for CS students. (you may attack me here, but hey that’s the truth. if you compare penn’s to public school like Univ of washington, penn facilities is not so great… in UW every CS classes have its own dedicated lab) that means no waiting for “reserved lab” that often happens in moore 100AB and 200.
~you’ll see that not many tech company visits penn engineering (except maybe MS, Google but Google doesnt do campus interview). If you compare it to top 10 school in CS like cornell, UW, UCB, UT austin, UIUC, etc Penn loses big time. But the good thing if you’re interested in finance you’ll see goldman sachs, credit suisse and all financial companies flocking to hire Penn SEAS. But as I said in the thread, I’m not interested working in finance so I don’t really care about goldman whatever
~ the CS class offering is lacking. For example: Only one operating system, compiler course is offered in CSE. Compare it to Stanford which offer CS140(undergrad OS-1),240 (undergrad/grad OS, and many variant like CS240A,B etc…
~ I don’t like some of the faculties teaching but hey that’s me I don’t know about you. I’m not particularly fond of a particular teacher at CSE(the celebrated CS prof at penn) teaching. Some other faculties are not technically strong but they’re very good at doing fluff talk (I can name poeple but I prefer not say name)</p>

<p>That’s not everything, I can also ramble other stuff at penn in general but I’ll refrain from doing so. Penn is not a bad school or something like that but I think for people who want to learn pure engineering Penn is not the best school. But for people who want to do finance/engineering Penn is a great school. IMO the ultimate part of penn is wharton. Hey if you disagree whatever, but when I think of Penn, I think of Wharton. Just for example: if you apply to companies, you often have to select which school are you from right? these companies usually have University of Pennsylvania option and Wharton School option (with note saying something like this: “if you’re wharton student please choose Wharton not Upenn)”) You may defend that penn is not all about wharton but whatever I think many people would agree wharton is the elite student at penn.</p>

<p>Sorry if this offends you in any way. This kinda looks like a long rant hehehe

</p>

<p>Thought it might be helpful to you.</p>

[Rudess]

<p>I’m going to respond to some of the points in the above post:</p>

<p>-As an international student myself, I don’t really think there’s any “major paperwork” you need to do to be able to work. The OPT application process is pretty straightforward, and I don’t think that offering or not offering CPT is a big issue. I was able to do an internship and will be working full time with no trouble.
-I’ve never had to wait to find a computer on campus, but you have a valid point that more elite computer labs just for CS students would be cool.
-Regarding the ‘no tech companies visit Penn’ claim again, I would like to see anyone making this claim to specifically name which companies. Google is the epitome of the CS tech company, and they do come here. And every year some graduates end up at Google. Same goes for Microsoft.
-Sure, if you compare CS at Penn to CS at Stanford, the course offering at Stanford is better, given that it is at the very top of graduate CS departments in the country. Having said that, the 500-level CS Penn courses are more than enough to go as far as you want.</p>

<p>The rest of the points are a matter of opinion and don’t have enough support.</p>

<p>Regarding Penn being about Wharton, I’ll have to disagree again. The only people who would consider Wharton to be the ‘elite students’ at Penn would be, ironically, the finance companies. And there’s nothing strange about finance companies being interested in Wharton kids - after all, that’s precisely what they study all day long. But still, if you are not in Wharton and want a finance or consulting job, <em>you have every opportunity to get it</em>, and plenty of people get them. </p>

<p>Given the current Penn reputation, saying ‘I go to Penn’ is enough, no matter whether you go to Wharton or not.</p>

[Cornellian2011]

<p>

All of the top technical/engineering firms come to Penn to recruit.

Absolutely false.</p>

<p>From AZN premed’s link:</p>

<p>Number Accepted
Organization
10
Accenture
7
Citigroup, Google
6
JP Morgan
5
CGI, Credit Suisse, Deloitte, Goldman Sachs, Lockheed Martin, Oliver Wyman
4
Merrill Lynch
3
AQR Capital Management, Boston Consulting Group, ExxonMobil, Lehman Brothers, L’Oreal USA, Microsoft, The Blackstone Group, U.S. patent & Trademark Office, University of Pennsylvania
2
Bank of America, BlackRock, Farallon Capital Management, IBM, McKinsey & Co., Merck, PricewaterhouseCoopers, RBC Capital Markets, U.S. Navy</p>

<p>Hmm… let’s see… Oracle, NASA, Cisco Systems, AMD, Intel, Amazon, Apple, Raytheon, Hewlett-Packard, NVIDIA, Motorola, Qualcomm, General Electric, Procter and Gamble, and Genentech **are a few of the top technical/engineering firms that are missing from your list. There are plenty more. ** **Not all top technical firms come to Penn.
**

I don’t have an opinion on Cornell, but you can’t be dissing Penn in this respect.

</p>

<p>I’m not dissing Penn in this respect. There’s no need to get so defensive. Not many top technical/engineering firms come to Penn to recruit, and that’s a fact. Sure there are a few that come, but plenty are missing.</p>

<p>

Subjectively speaking, find me one source (besides those that are obviously biased) that rates Cornell’s campus life higher than Penn’s…

</p>

<p>Find me one source (besides those that are obviously biased) that rates Penn’s campus life higher than Cornell’s. </p>

<p>Dude, you’re not in college yet. You have never been to Cornell either. I have been to both schools,** I’ve lived at Penn for admitted students weekend and a summer, and I’ve lived at Cornell for the last two years.** Not to sound pretentious, but I’m sure my opinion in this situation is far more credible than yours. I’ve lived at both schools, you haven’t lived at either.</p>

<p>

The employment opportunities are outstanding for SEAS students at Penn. Did you even look at the link I posted? Obviously not. SEAS students regularly get placed into GS, JP, BoA, etc as well as places like Google, Cisco, MS, Lockheed, BMS,

</p>

<p>First of all, I’m sure the job opportunities are good for Penn engineering – but not as broad as those in Cornelll engineering. Yes, I have looked at the link you have posted. Keep in mind, that unlike you, I was actually accepted into both schools – I’ve looked at career reports of both schools extensively before making my decision. </p>

<p>Second, Penn didn’t place a single person into Cisco for 2008, so I don’t know how you pulled that out of your @$$. **These companies were not present to recruit at Penn Engineering for 2008: Oracle, NASA, Cisco Systems, AMD, Intel, Amazon, Apple, Raytheon, Hewlett-Packard, NVIDIA, Motorola, Qualcomm, General Electric, Procter and Gamble, and Genentech? Plenty of top technical firms do not come to Penn to recruit. **</p>

<p>

As lauke mentioned, the ability to take finance classes at Wharton to supplement SEAS courses is a level of interdisciplinary education that Cornell can’t even come close to matching.

</p>

<p>There are plenty of opportunities to take finance classes at Cornell as well, both at the world’s best hotel school and the #4 business program in the country. Cornell has a minor in business for engineering students. You learn the same finance concepts whether you’re at Penn or Penn State.</p>

<p>

If anything, engineers out of Penn have more flexibility and viability in the current job market, since they’re not bound to the business sector, but also have the ability to get the Wall Street jobs.

</p>

<p>NO. You are clueless. If anything, engineers out of Cornell have more flexibility, since they’re not bound to the business sector, as they have the ability to get Wall Street jobs AND engineering jobs. I don’t know where you’ve been lately but finance is a terrible field to go into right now.</p>

<p>Here is proof that Cornell has both Great business and engineering placement:</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.engineering.cornell.edu/student-services/engineering-coop-career-services/statistics/upload/PGS-Inserts-ORIE-2007.pdf[/url]”>http://www.engineering.cornell.edu/student-services/engineering-coop-career-services/statistics/upload/PGS-Inserts-ORIE-2007.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p><a href=“http://www.engineering.cornell.edu/student-services/engineering-coop-career-services/statistics/upload/PGS-Inserts-CS-2007-2.pdf[/url]”>http://www.engineering.cornell.edu/student-services/engineering-coop-career-services/statistics/upload/PGS-Inserts-CS-2007-2.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p><a href=“http://www.engineering.cornell.edu/student-services/engineering-coop-career-services/statistics/upload/PGS-Inserts-ECE-2007.pdf[/url]”>http://www.engineering.cornell.edu/student-services/engineering-coop-career-services/statistics/upload/PGS-Inserts-ECE-2007.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Employers Hiring the Most Operations Research Majors:</p>

<p>JPMorgan 11
ZS Associates 6
Morgan Stanley 4
Bank of America 4
Banc of America Securities 4
UBS 3
BlackRock 3
Accenture 3</p>

<p>Employers Hiring the Most Computer Science Majors:</p>

<p>Microsoft 14
Google 10
Oracle 8
Cisco Systems 6
Goldmans Sachs & Co. 4
Bloomberg LP 4
UBS 3
Morgan Stanley 3
IBM 3
Cornell University 3
Amazon.com 3
ZS Associates 2
VistaPrint 2
Epic Systems 2
Credit Suisse 2
Citi 2
Capital IQ 2
Bank of America 2</p>

<p>Employers Hiring the Most Electrical and Computer Engineers:
Cisco 10
Lockheed Martin 6
Microsoft 4
Raytheon 4
Hewlett-Packard 3
Intel Corporation 3
UBS 3
Advancec Micro Devices 2
Agilent Technologies 2
Bloomberg LLP 2
Defence Science and Technology 2
Goldman Sachs & Co. 2
Mathworks 2
McKinsey & Company 2
Merrill Lynch 2
Motorola 2
NVIDIA 2
Qualcomm Inc. 2
U.S. Airforce 2
ZS Associates 2</p>

<p>

But Penn has the clear edge when it comes to reaching beyond the industry

</p>

<p>Penn engineering has no clear edge over Cornell engineering… As I’ve shown you above, Cornell Engineering’s business placement is pretty good. If you like Penn as a school more than Cornell, by all means go to Penn. But Cornell has better placement for its engineers in the engineering industry, and equally good placement for engineers desiring to go into business. Therefore, Cornell is the better choice since it offers broader opportunities. </p>

<p>

Next time, try reading the statistics before you start ranting, Cornelian.

</p>

<p>Please grow a brain. You know absolutely nothing about Cornell. I was accepted to both schools and I had to decide between the two. I have read the statistics. You are a clueless idiot.</p>

<p>Look they’re both good schools. Cornell’s engineering school is better than Penn’s in most respects except for biomedical engineernig, and Penn has Wharton which is the #1 business school in the world. To the OP: if you really like Penn a lot, it may be better to choose Penn due to fit. Otherwise, I highly recommend Cornell whether or not you want to be a “pure engineer” or an “engineer in business.” The opportunities at Cornell are far broader. You can either do
“pure engineering” or go into business, both easily. At Penn, it will be more difficult to go into “pure engineering.”</p>

[Rudess]

<p>Cornelian, don’t think that your throwing out of random companies all over the place is going to impress anyone.</p>

<p>I’ve seen PLENTY of posts in PennLink (the system where companies post jobs specifically to Penn students) of Oracle, NASA, Cisco, AMD, Intel, Amazon, Apple, NVIDIA, and Motorola. Heck, a NASA astronaut who is a Penn alumni just came to Penn to give a lecture.</p>

<p>

I’m not dissing Penn in this respect. There’s no need to get so defensive. Not many top technical/engineering firms come to Penn to recruit, and that’s a fact. Sure there are a few that come, but plenty are missing.

</p>

<p>Yes you were. You were arguing that Cornell has an edge when it comes to recruiting, which is simply not true. Regarding getting defensive, when you come to Penn’s forum to argue that Cornell is better, you better expect some replies. It’s not a fact that not many top firms come to Penn to recruit. The fact that I’ve seen entry PennLink postings of more than 2/3 of the companies that you provided should be more than enough to show that you’re just throwing random companies around, without even knowing whether they come to Penn or not.</p>

<p>

Penn engineering has no clear edge over Cornell engineering… As I’ve shown you above, Cornell Engineering’s business placement is pretty good.

</p>

<p>By the same token, Penn Engineering has a clear edge over Cornell engineering for business placements.</p>

<p>

Please grow a brain. You know absolutely nothing about Cornell. I was accepted to both schools and I had to decide between the two. I have read the statistics. You are a clueless idiot.

</p>

<p>You’ve pretty much defeated yourself by recurring to ad hominem argumentation. This is more than enough to show who needs to grow a brain.</p>

<p>Lastly, we don’t care that you were accepted to both schools. Being accepted to Penn hardly implies you know anything about Penn, so please refrain from using this as any kind of support towards your biased claims.</p>

[Cornellian2011]

<p>

Penn engineers get much more than 2 at GS. Penn does have an edge for business positions.

</p>

<p>You didn’t read too carefully. Actually, 6 went to GS from Electrical and Computer Engineering (4) and Computer Science (2)combined. There are 13 engineering majors at Cornell, which means plenty more were placed into GS. Feel free to look through these reports to tell me how Penn’s (engineering) business placement is better than Cornell’s:</p>

<p>[Cornell</a> Engineering : Post Graduate Reports](<a href=“http://www.engineering.cornell.edu/student-services/engineering-coop-career-services/statistics/Post-Graduate-Reports.cfm]Cornell”>http://www.engineering.cornell.edu/student-services/engineering-coop-career-services/statistics/Post-Graduate-Reports.cfm)</p>

<p>If you can do that, I will gladly give in to your argument, and I will agree with you that Penn’s business placement is better. I am willing to admit that I am wrong if you can show me how I’m wrong. Also, keep in mind that Penn reports the number of offers extended by each firm, not the number of students hired.</p>

<p>

Yes you were. You were arguing that Cornell has an edge when it comes to recruiting, which is simply not true.

</p>

<p>Look, this doesn’t mean I was dissing Penn. Cornell does have an edge when it comes to engineering recruiting and I think that’s pretty freaking undeniable. Look at the reports above. Cornell is on equal footing as Penn engineering for business placement. Once again, see above. Please show me otherwise if you can.</p>

<p>

Cornelian, don’t think that your throwing out of random companies all over the place is going to impress anyone. I’ve seen PLENTY of posts in PennLink (the system where companies post jobs specifically to Penn students) of Oracle, NASA, Cisco, AMD, Intel, Amazon, Apple, NVIDIA, and Motorola. Heck, a NASA astronaut who is a Penn alumni just came to Penn to give a lecture.

</p>

<p>The fact of the matter is, NONE OF THESE COMPANIES EXTENDED OFFERS TO PENN ENGINEERING STUDENTS in 2008, according to the data AZNpremed has posted. You can either believe the facts or not. There are a ton of top engineering firms that don’t recruit and Penn, and that’s the truth.</p>

<p>

Being accepted to Penn hardly implies you know anything about Penn, so please refrain from using this as any kind of support towards your biased claims.

</p>

<p>I’ve lived there for a summer, been there for admitted students weekend, and I have a cousin who is at Wharton, so I do know quite a bit about Penn. I was in the same position as the OP a little while back and I have every right to give him or her my advice.</p>

<p>

I’ve seen PLENTY of posts in PennLink (the system where companies post jobs specifically to Penn students) of Oracle, NASA, Cisco, AMD, Intel, Amazon, Apple, NVIDIA, and Motorola.

</p>

<p>Then please post them on this board for all of us to see. I’m willing to admit that I’m wrong if you can show me some real evidence, not just anecdotal opinions.</p>

[Rudess]

<p>Cornelian, one thing is whether the companies recruit at the school or not, and an entire different thing is how many offers the company makes at the school. You were arguing that the companies do not recruit, and I contested that claim and that claim only. And I contested it on the basis that I’ve seen plenty of positions advertised directly from this companies on PennLink. I am not going to go through the trouble of querying for them and copy-pasting them here. Anyone with access to PennLink can confirm that the companies I mentioned had posted positions. Since this is a password-protected web site, I could be making the ‘evidence’ up and there would be no way for you to verify anyway.</p>

<p>Regarding offers being extended, the number of offers extended from a particular company says nothing. Most of the engineers I know at Penn are interested in business-oriented position, and this is completely reflected in the career surveys. It is useless to compare number of offers made from any particular tech company given the innumerable differences between the engineering populations at both schools, especially when you’re focusing so much on computer technology companies. There are only about 30 people in the CS major at Penn per year. You can’t expect offers from every single technology company. What I can tell you is that Google is one of the most selective computer technology companies, that they recruit at Penn and extend offers to Penn graduates.</p>

<p>You don’t really know about Penn until you’re a student here. Of course you have every right to give your opinion, but what you were doing was regarding another poster’s opinion as inferior to you because you were accepted at Penn, by saying,</p>

<p>“You know absolutely nothing about Cornell. I was accepted to both schools and I had to decide between the two”</p>

<p>I was attacking that statement, and not saying that you were not entitled to an opinion.</p>

<p>I am not arguing any further after this post. I am not really interested in beating you in any debate. What I am interested in is in giving prospective students the best possible information so that they can make a good decision.</p>

[ilovebagels]

<p>For the record, I just checked both penn and cornell postgraduate surveys, and Penn engineers have higher average salaries in every yaer for which a comparison is available (2005, 6, 7). For 2008 Penn SEAS grads had a significant jump from $60,152 to $62,680. 2008 Cornell engineering numbers are not available.</p>

<p>Moreover, going forward Cornell is making much more drastic budget cuts than is Penn.</p>

[tenebrousfire]

<p>that list on the penn career survey indicates job offers accepted, not received (as does the cornell list)</p>

<p>so i’m not sure how you can state definitively that nobody received offers from the various organizations listed on cornell’s survey</p>

<p>for example zs associates is not on the penn list, but they’re here very heavily each semester (and in fact several of my friends and myself had the chance to work there, but i believe we all declined)</p>

[nj_azn_premed]

<p>And, there’s one huge thing you’re not taking into consideration and that is the size of the engineering student bodies, which differs immensely between Penn and Cornell. Out of 12 computer science and engineering grads doing the career survey reports (and Penn’s career surveys have a 95% response rate), 2 ended up in Goldman, 3 in Google, 1 in IBM. Those were just the pure computer science engineers. Of the four who dual degreed with CAS, 2 more into Google. Of the 10 who dual degreed with Wharton, another into Google and the rest into a whole slew of very reputable investment firms/banks. And, of course, this doesn’t account for the many other jobs that may have been turned down for whatever reason.</p>

[mattwonder]

<p>Guys, chill out. Penn and Cornell (and their engineering programs) are far more alike than they are different - talk about splitting hairs.</p>

[nj_azn_premed]

<p>^Yeah tell that to Cornelian who doesn’t seem to be capable of understanding that…</p>

[Cornellian2011]

<p>I am capable of understanding the programs are different, but when false claims are made about Cornell, it is my job to refute them. You brought up “mortality rate” and “social life” as a reason to choose Penn over Cornell and claimed that Cornell Engineering is best for becoming a “research or industry slave,” when that is simply not true. It is my obligation to make sure Cornell is presented in a fair and true manner to prospective students. Thus, I was simply doing my duty. My job is done here, and I do not want to debate. I want prospective students to know the truth. </p>

<p>I’ve said this time and time again, but I’ll say it once again. To the OP: If you like Penn better, go to Penn, regardless of what you want to do. If you want to go into some sort of business career, both schools are equally good. If you want to be a bioengineer, go to Penn. If you want to be a “pure engineer,” come to Cornell. Both are great schools. That is all. Good luck with your decision. </p>

<p>And to Aznpremed: good luck at Penn.</p>