<p>raider-Olin still has 15k/year in room/board…it’s definately not cheap even for middle class, but offers good need based aid</p>
<p>also, it’s a total of like 300 kids</p>
<p>[Ivy</a> League on the cheap](<a href=“http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08103/872745-85.stm]Ivy”>http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08103/872745-85.stm)
[Ivy</a> League targets Britain’s top students - Times Online](<a href=“The Times & The Sunday Times: breaking news & today's latest headlines”>http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/education/article4678019.ece)</p>
<p>The proof is everywhere. The Ivies are dragging in record numbers of international students, fewer high income US students, and lots of low to middle income high achievers with lots of aid. The kids left out are many of our smartest kids. So the Ivy League is no longer what it was…the home of our smartest kids. The luster is waning.
Thankfully, the State Universities get better and better. Their loss. Their loss of talent. Their loss of credibility.</p>
<p>60% of the Ivy league are FULL PAY…your “Proof” doesn’t go with the facts</p>
<p>and your proof is once again anecdotal.</p>
<p>@RocketLouise: Olin tuition (15K) is comparable to many state schools and is therefore VERY affordable to most middle class families. Why else would a brand new college be ranked #2?</p>
<p>Have you taken a look lately at the number of international students at state universities?<br>
And if you think there are fewer high income US students at the Ivy schools, you must be on a different planet. Just ask a kid who goes to one…</p>
<p>oldfort…I showed the taxes in another post…Home size, car payments, ect are all choices people make.</p>
<p>As I pointed out some major taxes you missed (FICA), and insurance, which is mandatory, and 401K. Like I said, show me at least the right net income. As I said before, I know because I take a paycheck home.</p>
<p>MomofWildChild…the Ivies aren’t doing the selecting. The smart high income kids are not applying. They already know it is not an option without enormous loans. I don’t understand how anyone can say that if two kids go to an Ivy League school and graduate, that one should be saddled with enormous debt and the other should be able to leave with none or little. It is discriminatory to the kid. My 3.8 UW AP Scholar with the 800 Math SAT who was grade accelerated cannot afford 50K…particularly if he wants to go to grad school. It is grossly unfair and it is pricing a whole tier of students out of the mix…many of whom happen to be the smartest kids in the country. It’s just a fact.</p>
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<p>welcome to the world of the poor, even cheap state schools do that to us!
We need a miracle to get in, then a financial aid miracle to go anywhere but community</p>
<p>^But at top 25 schools that meet 100% of demonstrated need, you are set. That should be at least somewhat comforting to you?</p>
<p>^assuming I get into a top 25 school…that’s a HUGE long shot…</p>
<p>The smart high-income kids who can afford the tuition ARE applying and ARE attending. The fact that there might be many kids who have to omit the Ivy schools from their lists due to financial reasons does NOT mean there are not just as many smart kids still attending. What part of this concept can you not grasp? 70% of the 800 math kids could decide to go to University of Utah and the Ivy schools would STILL be full of top students.
I hate to tell you, but your kid is not at all unique. There are hundreds of him/her who are being rejected by Ivy schools. It’s a crapshoot.</p>
<p>oldfort, I can tell you are in the same boat. The whole thing is ridiculous. If you are high middle income, you are hosed. So you go on scholarship to the State U, or the well-respected LAC that gives you nice merit aid, you graduate with a high GPA and go to a top tier grad school and finish with reasonable debt. Which means that the undergraduate Ivy League “exceptionalism” is a myth. Graduate school is another story.</p>
<p>Sorry, debrockman. He’s just one of many high-achieving kids in that GPA band. Great record, but they are a dime a dozen at the top schools. Plenty of 4.0’s get rejected every year, too. Vals and sals, too. 2400’s and 36’s , too. </p>
<p>800 Math is cool , but that and a 3.8UW together don’t guarantee squat at a top-most school. Sorry, but it’s just a fact.</p>
<p>Mom, he clearly would get in. He clearly can’t afford to go without a $100,000 loan. And then another $100,00 for grad school. He’d be an idiot. Which he obviously, is not.</p>
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<p>I added FICA in…401k varies…I know as well…I’m living proof. Most Americans live beyond their means.</p>
<p>He would have about a 12% chance of getting in. What planet did you say you are from?</p>
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<p>There is no “clearly would get in” for Ivies…it’s a crapshoot for ANYBODY…There are PERFECT kids who get rejected…so please don’t act like your kid is the next coming of Christ</p>
<p>He’s also 16 years old. The fact that they take kids with scores significantly LOWER than his is another indication. They are not selecting the smartest kids. They are doing silly class and region and income balancing.</p>
<p>I"m poor, a URM, have a 4.0uw GPA and a 34 ACT(with 36 Math)…I got DEFERRED from Yale…there is no guarantee</p>
<p>they take lots of kids with lower scores than mine…but it still didn’t guarantee ANYTHING</p>