<p>I was just reading this as I am currently an IB student and thought that you may still be interested in the curriculum for IB HL math.</p>
<p>HL Math: <a href=“http://ookgm.meb.gov.tr/userfiles/file/programlar/ibo/d_5_mathl_gui_0805_1_e.pdf[/url]”>http://ookgm.meb.gov.tr/userfiles/file/programlar/ibo/d_5_mathl_gui_0805_1_e.pdf</a></p>
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Some grammar and reason would be nice, though.</p>
<p>AP Chem >>>> IB Chem</p>
<p>I think the trend goes </p>
<p>SL < AP
HL > AP.
TOK, CAS, EE, IA, EA > AP</p>
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<p>Seriously? I bet that the AP kids at my school could “possibly take IB tests.” I know kids at nearby IB schools who say our AP curriculum is muchhhhhhhhhhhh harder than their IB. So I don’t know why you’d think you IB kids could easily take our tests but we “cannot possibly take IB tests.” I think you’d be in for quite a surprise…</p>
<p>I think it depends on the school. Like I said, our school’s AP curriculum is very difficult; the AP test is easy compared to much of what we have to do during the year. And as I said, of the kids I know at IB schools, 2 or 3 of them have expressly said that while their IB tests are hard, their IB courses at each of their schools seemed a bit easier to them than the AP at my school and a few other schools in the area.</p>
<p>But as the poster on the page before proved with the quote from the MIT adcom officer (who, by the way, used “there” wrong. lol, no big deal, but funny because he’s from such a top school ;P), neither of these are considered all that difficult when compared to any of those top colleges/universities, probably not even any in the Top 100.</p>
<p>^^ you brought up a very good point. It really depends on the school. The AP at my school is basically self Study (which makes me hate it). This year I basically had to self study APUSH, and it was hell. Because it was not my intention
Anyways, an AP student could self study and take an IB test. Yes. Of course. But walking into an IB test with only assumed AP knowledge would be difficult. Because of options, format etc. No of course the same is probably true vice versa, it’s just many IB students are accustomed to taking AP tests. </p>
<p>And you can’t leave out the extra junk IB forces us to take. I honestly feel all of those abbreviated requirements are what tend to classify IB as “more rigorous” by the people that are in it. And it’s true. IMP</p>
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Actually, AP kids cannot possibly take IB tests. One must be enrolled in an IB course to take the corresponding test; there is no self-study permitted.</p>
<p>Also IB exams have much more specific curricula. That doesn’t mean it’s harder, it just means that unless you know exactly what to study, it is difficult to prepare.</p>
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<p>@apn00b I didn’t mean literally sign up and take the tests. I meant that they have the capacity to do so, even though the other poster said that IB were qualified enough to do AP but AP kids were not qualified enough to do IB.</p>
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<p>In my AP Euro class last year, we were given a week to memorize over 200 dates, the majority of which also included the day and month. He then gave us a test with a few pages of dates that included the 200+ we’d had to memorize and a bunch others that were very close to them. We had to identify what the 200+ we’d studied were and what happened on those days. Do you call that unspecific?</p>
<p>Even if the AP tests aren’t that specific, many schools have curricula that go wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy beyond what one would need to know for AP testing, getting very specific. That same AP Euro teacher last year used to quote from memory entire pages of works from ancient Rome and Greece. He made us learn every single very last detail about AP European history, memorizing triple, quadruple even, the knowledge we’d need for the AP test…</p>
<p>Strange, my AP Calc teacher has an IB diploma. He tells us IB is much, much more difficult than the AP stuff we’re learning. His AP students have a really amazing pass rate compared with the rest of the district. Since no school around my vicinity offers IB, I’m in the AP stuff. It’s not too bad actually. Just buy a prep book or two, take practice tests, and you’ll do fine. I can’t say either IS harder since I’m only in AP, but IB SOUNDS a lot harder because AP isn’t as too bad at all. I read about how you have a bunch of essays and extra work for IB, whilst for AP, if you pass the exam you’re good to go. Multiple choice and free response. Multiple choice, essay, document based questions. none of that is a lot of work, in my opinion, but writing up pages and pages of lab reports (which you don’t do for AP) and whatnot sounds like torture. plus, AP calc AB/BC does not require you to write up theorems and prove them. Although I think in the long run, IB will teach you more (I don’t know about college acceptance though) and give you better work ethics than I have learned with AP (buy prep books and flash cards).</p>
<p>I’m actually pretty shocked that AP is so easy in your schools. In APUSH, our midterm had a 26 point curve <em>just</em> to bring the average to an 80. While the average AP test for that class is 4 or 5, the in-class tests and assignments are difficult. For example, this weekend I have to prepare outlines for 40 essays!</p>
<p>But I can’t speak for anyone else’s schools, so I’ll just go with what I’ve been saying all along: it depends on the school and how their curriculum works.</p>
<p>Out IB SL bio and IB physics have 33% pass rate. Yah!</p>
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<p>Quoting for emphasis.</p>
<p>I can certainly tell you that AP Physics C (calculus based)>IB Physics HL (non calculus)</p>
<p>Honestly, it depends on the school you’re going to. My school has only AP’s and it is considered to be the hardest private school in my region. I know a lot of schools in the area that are public and offer both the AP and IB programs, but they don’t even come close to what we have to do every night for our AP classes. We actually have to analyze A LOT, so don’t say that AP is not as hard. Our nights consist of 5 page essays due the next day and 200 pages of reading and deep analysis on top of that. If that isn’t challenging, I really don’t know what is. My friend goes to a school near me and is involved in their IB program and she barely has any homework. So before you think that one is better than the other, think again. One may be loads better in one state, and worse in another. It depends on where you live, your teachers, and how much effort you put into it.</p>
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<p>tokenadult said "I have no reason to believe that applying the label “IB” to a course suddenly makes it a good course. "</p>
<p>But you do. IB does a number of things AP does not do to ensure curriculum standards. AP also uses the same HS teacher that “taught last year” but those teachers go to a once and done few hours of training and then are judged only by their students AP test scores. In addition to the IB test scores, IB teachers must send a sample of work from students and assessments selected by IB international to a moderator. The moderator then regrades the work and moderates the entire class’ grade based on the results. This creates a situation where students are being held to the same standards world wide. </p>
<p>There’s more to it than just that, but AP doesn’t even start to do this sort of thing.</p>
<p>S2 is at a top 10, public high school in the IB program. It is brutal. While his GPA is strong, his ECs excellent, I don’t think its going to help when Competing against honors and AP higher, UW, GPAs. </p>
<p>Already, one LAC said as much. Very disheartening. </p>
<p>Was that a fluke?</p>
<p>I got into both IB and AP (my school has a special program for both) and honestly i think they are the same in quality, just different. IB definitely has more work. Logically, AP is better because you cant get college credit for IB unless you take the HL classes. Plus you get more diversity with AP.</p>
<p>^ ditto the point about IB being internationally moderated, and that your exams and coursework are being held to internationa standards by markers in other countries. AP grades are given by your class teachers and you compete with your fellow students.</p>
<p>I would like to remind people the difference bewteen the IB diploma and specific IB subjects. An IB Diploma course must be compared with AP courses on a holistic scale, not bu judging individual subjects. IB Diploma students are required to take subjects in different areas of study, so a smart science geek will re forced to take courses in Literature and Humanities and Foriegn Language. An AP student can escape this since there is no standard for course selection.</p>
<p>Furthermore, IB diploma candidates are required to write a 4000 word research essay in a subject of their choice. This is sent out internationally to be marked. AP does not have this.</p>
<p>IB also requires students to participate in CAS, which is another name for extracirricular activites. Failure to meet the sufficient amount of CAS hours will mean automatic failure of the diploma, regardless of how well you do in our subjects. AP technically does not requires this, but many AP student aiming for top universities will do a similar amount of extracirriculurs anyway.</p>
<p>HOWEVER, the CAS system stand for Creativity, Action and Service. Thus the student is again required to fufill extracirrifulr requirements in many different areas. An AP studen can get away with exclusively playing the piano as their EC, but without any sports or community/volunteer work, they will fail their IB CAS.</p>
<p>In addition to that, students doing an IB science instead of environmental systems and societies will need to do something called the ‘group 4 project’, which is a mini science research project where students follow the scientific process and present their conclusions blah blah. Failure to complete this autoamatically fails their science subject for IB, no matter what test sore they recive.</p>
<p>Falure in any one subject in the diploma means automatic fail for the entire diploma, so the group 4 project is quite important too.</p>
<p>…And finally, the TOK. It is worth very little compared to other subjects, being added to the ee to poduce a score our of 3 instead of 7 compared to the other subjects. However, getting zero points in these 3 points also entails automatic failure for the whole diploma. Also, TOK (Theory of Knowledge) is the backbone of the liberal arts philisophy of the IB diploma, where students need to thoroughly understand the basic core philisohical principle behind knowledge, the purpose and definition of science, art, etc etc. One cannot get away with simply memorizing facts.</p>
<p>This philisophy of understaning is common across all IB subjects, which as mentioned before, require a lot of essays and oral commentaries instead of multiple choice questions and guessing.</p>
<p>In a nutshell, the IB diploma as a whole is a very rigirous program, with strict philosophy of well roundedness and understanding, requiring student to do well in all areas or risk failure.</p>