<p>eskimos' are people who migrated from asia*, but no try again, ur running out of guesses</p>
<p>Yes. We Asians are indeed screwed when it comes to admissions. I mean, look at it, we're only 3.6% of the population, yet we comprise like 40% of the college population at most UC campuses. I find it hilarius that we aren't even mentioned that often in my AP Government book when they are referring to minorities. They only mention blacks and hispanics, yet leave us Asians out! What's up with that? And it goes the same for admissions, we get screwed over because there are so many goddamn overachieving Asians out there! I can't really complain because I am one of them. Sighs... Damn you Confucius!</p>
<p>yes, it does suck, royally.</p>
<p>:confused:</p>
<p>The population structure at a university reflect that of the nation as a whole. If Asians are 3.6% of the population, they should be approximately 3.6% of the college population too. This is the real world here. When gaining acceptance, you should compete against your own group. Athletes are compared to each other, and the best are taken, just like adcoms compare students from the same region or the same school, likewise with other factors, including ethnicity. Did you know that China alone has the largest population in the world? In any given application pool, there will be more Chinese applicants than, say, Swedish applicants because of this. By virtue of this fact, it aergo follows that more Chinese in the world = more Chinese with high SAT scores = more Chinese with low SAT scores. They are the largest population! And if universitites admitted blind to all other factors, a university could easily become 100% Chinese - simply because there are more of them. In short, whoever said "Asians are overrepresented" is not far off the bat.
"If I'm asian, am I basically screwed?" :o choose to look at it however you wish. Facts are facts.</p>
<p>gianievve - there are NOT more chinese in this country. there are a heck of a lot of the IN china going to school there, but in the US the majority is white, so those should be the most represented, and asians the least, but thats not the case because asians on the whole have stronger applications than other ethnicities for whatever reasons - probably family work ethic. the test scores of asians are higher than those of whites.. not that there are more with high and more with low.</p>
<p>Minorties do have an advantage. Though I don't like the fact that they consider someone who is say from China a "minority" when they are really the "majorty" taking up 1/5 of the population. Im not racist against Asians, it's just that they do have an advantage. This can be seen by having two kids with exact stats, one white and one Asian, I gurantee they will take the Asian. If you don't believe me, put on your application that your white.</p>
<p>are you KIDDING????? If its between an Asian and anyone, they will pick the other... SO many more well qualified asains are rejected to other ethnicities because there are too many that have already been accepted. You have to realize that in America, chinese, indian, korean, etc.. are a VERY SMALL minority. TINY TINY TINY compared to blacks and hispanics, and are NOT favored at all because they are overrepresented in colleges due to good stats.
try putting on your app that you are asian.. its worse, trust me.</p>
<p>most def they'll take the white... although i gotta disagree about the work ethic... i'm asian and one of the laziest you will ever find... and my scores are decent :)</p>
<p>Same. If you want stats, look at the 2000 US Census. There are a few ways to be advantaged and asian. The one that I can get off the top of my head is coming from South America or Africa. Yes, that does sound weird but i know this girl who can say she is hispanic even though she is purely asian.</p>
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You have to realize that in America, chinese, indian, korean, etc.. are a VERY SMALL minority. TINY TINY TINY compared to blacks and hispanics
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<p>You have to realise, ranisparkle, that U.S. colleges aren't just for U.S. students. There happens to be something called International Admissions - and so, the big global effect is that: Asians are the largest population in the entire world. Looking at the big picture - there are probably enough Asians to fill every U.S. college, and you'd still have to reject some! And that won't happen, because college is <em>not</em> about the largest population, or about the highest scores - it's about learning both inside and outside the classroom. College is preparation for the real world - and in the real world, diversity exits.</p>
<p>Asians may have higher scores, but it is because there are more of them than any other group (international Asians and American Asians - they're both Asians). There are thousands of Asians who do badly in school, fail classes, get low scores or even are illiterate. To quote an Asian who <em>just</em> posted after you:
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i gotta disagree about the work ethic... i'm asian and one of the laziest you will ever find...
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Well guess what? Cujoe169 is not the only one. Clearly there are thousands of other Asians who are also lazy. Why don't you hear about them? Because they fluck out of classes and probably aren't even given a chance to apply, let alone think, of going to college. There are too many brighter kids of their same race. </p>
<p>The thing that puzzles me is this: the competition to get into an Asian University (China, Korea, Japan, whatever) is thousands of times worse than the competition for Asians to get into U.S. colleges. Many Asians who are accepted to Top U.S. colleges would never have been accepted to an equally ranked college in their home country. So why do so many Asians complain? </p>
<p>To quote you again:
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You have to realize that in America, chinese, indian, korean, etc.. are a VERY SMALL minority. TINY TINY TINY compared to blacks and hispanics
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<p>Exactly! You've hit the nail on the head! If Asians are such a "TINY TINY TINY" population in the U.S. - why should they be the majority accepted to college? It doesn't make sense. If legacies are 35% of the population, should they agitate to be accepted at a 90% rate, just because their scores are higher? No! If athletes are 12% of the population, should they complain that they represent only 12% of the college population? Of course not! </p>
<p>You compete within your own group. First, everyone competes academically, they take the top, there are still too many people... so they compare students using other factors - musicians compete against each other, artists are compared to one another, Native Americans compete against each other. And in each case they take only the best. Asians are the largest population, there are therefore more with high scores; they compete against other, and the colleges - like they do for everyone else - take only the best. There are no special exceptions for Asian students. Why should it be different?</p>
<p>They can't compare you amongst your people of the same ethinic background cuz thats illegal. People are people, but yes most of them do compare musicians and athletes against each other.</p>
<p>"i know this girl who can say she is hispanic even though she is purely asian."</p>
<p>i think that's funny b/c i'm considered hispanic but i'm really caucasian. i was born in cuba and so was the rest of my family but we are from french descent. it just shows how screwed up college admission is. it's just funny because i have blonde hair and blue eyes yet i'm considered hispanic. oh well... i'm not complaining! =)</p>
<p>"There happens to be something called International Admissions - and so, the big global effect is that: Asians are the largest population in the entire world. Looking at the big picture - there are probably enough Asians to fill every U.S. college, and you'd still have to reject some!" - Since when do all the asians in the world want to go to harvard or yale or any US college for that matter? the majority of asian applicants and matriculants are us citizens or residents or in the process of becoming one.</p>
<p>"Asians are the largest population, there are therefore more with high scores; they compete against other, and the colleges - like they do for everyone else - take only the best. There are no special exceptions for Asian students. Why should it be different?" - You obviously missed my point. okay, ill try and explain it more clearly. Asians are NOT the largest population applying to college. That would be caucasians. The reason that asians with better test scores get rejected is because the little amount of asians test scores exceed the test scores of the rest of the bunch (i wont speculate about reasons...) but test scores are not all that they have.. those 1600 asians with a 3.0 only have test scores, and they arent getting accepted. there are more asians with good test scores, good gpa, and they have that whole bilingual thing going for them (or atleast some of them do) im just generalizing, OF COURSE there are exceptions. </p>
<p>" If Asians are such a "TINY TINY TINY" population in the U.S. - why should they be the majority accepted to college? It doesn't make sense." - If they are the best, why shouldnt they?
"First, everyone competes academically," - and the asians are REALLY REALLY strong in this area, so then they have to pick between them because they cant have a college of all asians... so an equally qualified caucasian will get the seat over an asian with the same stat.</p>
<p>word up ranisparkle(did you mean to register as rainsparkle?). Its just a stereotype that all asians want to apply there. For those who are informed and know better, they dont apply there. MIT might be an exception. A lot of people do believe that they can get in because their stats looks good science/tech wise. Presitge is what a lot of asians look for besides that top notch education, or in my case top notch partying, lol jk. But its hard to generalize(yes i seem very contradictory)</p>
<p>If I am a white male, I am basically screwed?
Everyone would like to be URM... But only underrepresented minority can have such a facilitation in admission...</p>
<p>It must play some kinda factor weather positive or negative. Cause if it didn't play a role it really wouldn't even be worth putting on an application.</p>
<p>Well, comprehensive review takes into account the difficulties one has faced throughout their lives, and other "soft" factors.</p>
<p>Point blank, UC's do not use affirmative action, meaning they are not allowed to make race a consideration.</p>
<p>"Point blank, UC's do not use affirmative action, meaning they are not allowed to make race a consideration."</p>
<p>and that's why 40% of their students are asian americans.</p>
<p>... i agree daspidey, most asians are big on the presitige, i know my parents are... and yes MIT is an exception (MY DREAM SCHOOL)... and yes it is just a stereotype... but i do know i am lazy, BUT MY GRADES ARE GOOD, so ibreak the stereotype</p>