<p>^^^</p>
<p>Interesting.</p>
<p>I’m also hearing that while some publics do take OOS students, they generally limit those acceptances to students that have some kind of link to the state…which maybe suggests that the student will practice there. Frankly, I’m wondering if where one does his/her residency is a greater influence for setting up practice??</p>
<p>That OOS acceptance idea is definitely true at my school. OOS applicants actually have to petition the school for an application! I’d guess out of my class of 100 there are around 10 OOS students.</p>
<p>No idea re residency and practice, but that seems intuitively true. It would be interesting to see how many students from state med schools stay in the state for residency–I know at least here, quite a few students stay in state for residency. I’m not sure if those students were originally from here or not though.</p>
<p>Well, I know D1 is angling to do her residency in-state because she wants to practice here.</p>
<p>I’m not too knowledgeable on the subject as I won’t be applying for another year or two, but I believe the University of Michigan is fairly balanced in terms of in-state and out-of-state students. Might be too far up north, though.</p>
<p>Yes, but the average MCAT for an admitted UM applicant is 35.4.</p>
<p>at the beginning of the cycle, the avg mcat for those OOS with interview invites to UM was around 38</p>
<p>^^^^^Do you have a link which describes the avg MCAT for interview invites (IS and OOS)to other schools as well?</p>
<p>I dont think such a link exists. The only reason people known UM’s data is because they update it during the cycle with pie charts and graphs. They have the most transparent admissions office.</p>
<p>Thanks so much. Not surprised by UM’s stats for OOS as it is a top ten school, but an average of 38 for an interview is pretty stout.</p>
<p>Hi M2CK – Goodness, time does fly if it’s already time for your son to be applying! I’m afraid I don’t have much to add, but I did want to affirm that I think you’re basically on the right track.</p>
<p>(1) The most important thing is admissibility; questions of “fit” can come later.
(2) Small fluctuations in MCAT score can make a large difference, which is why we can’t finalize a list yet (for example, 35 is very different from 32) – but it IS the proper time to be putting a list together, so we should start doing so even if it’ll be a little haphazard for now.
(3) In general, OOS publics are a poor gamble. Pending the MCAT, we can maybe consider UVa, UMich, or the UT system, but the others should all be struck from the list, and even these probably won’t be worth really applying to.</p>
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<p>I wish I still had a USN so I could be more specific for you! In my view, I think the best approach is still to comb through a USN* and work out which medical schools have MCAT scores within a couple points of your son’s. Obviously, this will require a little bit of stratification.</p>
<p>A few years ago, the MSAR’s “median MCAT score” was not useful because it looked at the pool of ADMITTED students rather than the pool of MATRICULANTS. It may be improved by now. Gosh, I feel old.</p>
<p>The second thing to pay attention to is admissions percentage.</p>
<p>Using those two criteria, I think you’ll be able to narrow down the list pretty well. Trends from a few years ago suggested that a candidate in the 32 range might be a good match for Mt. Sinai, Tufts, USC, VCU, NYU, and others. Some schools – Georgetown, BU, and Wake – had approximately the right MCAT scores but absurdly low admissions percentages, and I generally advised folks to stay away.</p>
<p>But … well, things might have changed. Gosh, it’s been seven years since I applied.</p>
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<p>Well, if I’m going to be old and out of date, then at least I am entitled to a little circumlocution.</p>
<p>If your son has STRONG geographic preferences then that can make things even narrower, but in general I tend to say that young people tend to overestimate the strength of their preferences. “Oh, I could never leave the South!” “Oh, I could never live in the South.” “Oh, I could NEVER live in a Red State.” “What, there, with all those hipsters and wannabe movie stars?” “I could never give up Chinese food.” “What is there to do there?”</p>
<p>For that reason, I recommend putting aside geographic preferences. First, it’s too early in the application process – we just want to make sure he gets in somewhere. Second, it’s too early in life! It’s good for folks our age to get outside of our expectations. I would NEVER have chosen to live in Durham and [two other cities with very bad reputations], but I’ve learned to fall in love with them. (I fell in love with Carolina instantly; it took me a little while to warm up to State B, and a LONG while to warm up to State A.)</p>
<p>For reasons that I’ve never understood, everybody LOVES study abroad <a href="%22Yay!%20Meet%20new%20people%20who%20have%20a%20different%20perspective%20on%20life!%22">i</a>* but hates studying in other parts of our own country <a href="%22Ugh!%20Meet%20new%20people%20who%20have%20a%20different%20outlook%20on%20life?!%22">i</a>*.</p>
<p>I certainly did when I was 18; I had to be forced to leave. But I’m so glad I was.</p>
<p>:eek: :eek: :eek:
If I hadn’t had that done at birth, it would have never happened. Just sayin’.</p>
<p>Hi BDM, It has been a while since we “heard” of you on CC. Welcome back. I just come by to say “hi” to you and thank you for your help in the past 5 (?) years.</p>
<p>Time flies indeed. DS was a freshman and did not know for sure whether he would be a premed, when I was a lurker on CC to learn the in-and-out of premed’s life, and I have read most of your premed-related posts (e.g., Timing Alert) since then. He is now a 'busy and happy" MS1.</p>
<p>Curm, that made me LOL. And Mike, I wonder which one is “State A” :)</p>
<p>kristin, I guess that state A is very close to where you are at, or very close to where DS is at. But this is just my wild guess :)</p>
<p>bdm, what are you up to right now? residency?</p>
<p>mcat2, I was always curious where your DS goes to school. I guess I know now haha</p>
<p>^ Since you appear to enjoy solving the riddle, could you solve “the riddle of the year” in the application cycle 2011-2012, the year of your own application cycle (and you started that thread): What is school C? 
If you can solve this riddle, you are at least as good as curm. A hint can be found in this post from curm:</p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/14254221-post578.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/14254221-post578.html</a></p>
<p>Just say whether you can solve it or not, instead of putting down the answer.</p>
<p>BTW, another of my wild guess: Your first OOS admitted school was a school that is close to MiamiDAP’s D’s, or somewhere in that area. (The in-state one, especially the ones in your home state, are too predictable and therefore it is not much a riddle.)</p>
<p>Thanks BDM and others!</p>
<p>(1) The most important thing is admissibility; questions of “fit” can come later.</p>
<p>—That’s what we’re thinking. And, after all, if he only gets into one…he’ll make it fit. lol (Luckily, he’s a fit-anywhere kind of kid…not fussy. Hey, if you can sleep on lab floors, you can deal with anything.)</p>
<p>(2) Small fluctuations in MCAT score can make a large difference, which is why we can’t finalize a list yet (for example, 35 is very different from 32) – but it IS the proper time to be putting a list together, so we should start doing so even if it’ll be a little haphazard for now.</p>
<p>If this kid geta a 35, I will be gobsmacked. It’s not that he’s not smart enough, it’s just that he’s not one of those super standardized test takers. </p>
<p>He’s putting his list together with the idea that his score is between a 30 - 33. He’ll have a few super reaches on his list if by miracle he pulls a higher score. </p>
<p>(3) In general, OOS publics are a poor gamble. Pending the MCAT, we can maybe consider UVa, UMich, or the UT system, but the others should all be struck from the list, and even these probably won’t be worth really applying to.</p>
<p>I agree…OOS publics are largely out. Seems like the few that do take OOS kids want the student to have some ties to the state. The only ties my kid has to another state is Calif, and we know those public SOMs are not likely, so won’t be applying.</p>
<p>lol…your comment about people loving to study abroad, but hating to be in other parts of their own country is something I’ve said many times. People who turn their nose up about the South (and many have never hardly been in South), treat it like it’s some 3rd world country, yet that would never stop them from tromping thru an actual 3rd world country.</p>
<p>BDM…are you still in law school? Are you graduating?</p>
<p>Using those two criteria, I think you’ll be able to narrow down the list pretty well. Trends from a few years ago suggested that a candidate in the 32 range might be a good match for Mt. Sinai, Tufts, USC, VCU, NYU, and others. Some schools – Georgetown, BU, and Wake – had approximately the right MCAT scores but absurdly low admissions percentages, and I generally advised folks to stay away.</p>
<p>I agree with the above suggestions. I don’t think USC will work because I think that SOM has some crazy humanities credits which son doesn’t have as an eng’g major. He does have a lot of A&S credits, just not the rights ones for USC. </p>
<p>I can see his list now being…(in no particular order, except the instates)</p>
<p>2 instates
Tulane
SLU
Creighton
G’town
Loyola Chicago
NYU
Tufts
Emory
Vandy
BU
Wake
and maybe 2-5 more.</p>
<p>Couple of words based on D1’s app cycle: G’town, Wake and Loyola have insanely huge numbers of applicants and generally poor admission rates.</p>
<p>Georgetown had over 12,000 applicants last year and accepted 190!</p>
<p>Wake was 7500/260.</p>
<p>Loyola doesn’t release their data to USN.</p>
<p>Wake uses screened secondaries, but apparently receiving a secondary only means they want your $$. (D1 and BF were both rejected in under 12 hours of submitted secondaries. This has happened to other NM kids too. I suspect geographic profiling.)</p>
<p>I know UVa is a public. But it still takes some OOS. Would he consider it? Also, it is an Oct. 15 school. If he gets in, it will relieve a lot of pressure after Oct. 15. (UMich is another public school like UVa. I think these two are the only publics recommended by BDM.)</p>
<p>Why do non-Texans tend to “refuse” to apply to any TMDSAS schools? (None of DS’s classmates apply here. It is as if they got in and came down here, the Texans would eat them alive. No, we are not that unfriendly, even though we have a governor who said “oops” on the national TV.) Granted, the percentage of slots allocated for OOS is low. But it makes up by the number of schools and the sheer number of students per class (for many of them, I think ~230 per class.) I may be biased here. But I think it is very cost-effective here even for an OOS student.</p>
<p>DS refused to try any California schools also due to their real and perceived difficulty (and also due to the distance of travel, should he get an interview.) He did put down U. of Colorado in his list after I had learned of that school from somemom and suggested that school to him. (BTW, recently DS heard that the research funding for the students even at a “top-dog” California school like ucsf is hard to get this year. Maybe facebook IPO may change that?! I do not know whether he really learned of it from someone he knows personally, or from some propaganda from a “competitor” school…) </p>
<p>Interview invite could come early for Tufts,</p>