<p>U Colorado-Denver has a very nice campus in a primo location for those who like to be able to get away to the outdoors… But Colorado has a pretty strong in-state preference: ~80% in-state and most of the OOS are MD/PhD track.</p>
<p>mcat2, i do know what school C is, only because I’ve talked to GA. Although, I probably would have figured it out based on curm’s post.</p>
<p>correct! my first OOS was in the midwest. I had to look at a map, but it’s across the lake (sort of). It’s also one of the schools bdm mentioned.</p>
<p>U Colorado-Denver has a very nice campus in a primo location for those who like to be able to get away to the outdoors… But Colorado has a pretty strong in-state preference: ~80% in-state and most of the OOS are MD/PhD track.</p>
<p>See that’s what I’m thinking. It’s not the run-of-the-mill good candidates that get selected to OOS publics. It’s those with some odd hook, a state connection, or a PhD/MD with amazing stats.</p>
<p>As an aside, I think it’s the same philosophy (but worse chances) for int’ls applying to US MD schools…far fewer are picked, and those who are have some connection or are MD/PhD.</p>
<p>Yes, he would consider UVa…just didn’t think he’d have a chance there.</p>
<p>I don’t think he’s considering any Texas schools, because again, he doesn’t think he’d have a chance. No real connections there. :(</p>
<p>*Couple of words based on D1’s app cycle: G’town, Wake and Loyola have insanely huge numbers of applicants and generally poor admission rates.</p>
<p>Georgetown had over 12,000 applicants last year and accepted 190!</p>
<p>Wake was 7500/260.</p>
<p>Loyola doesn’t release their data to USN.</p>
<p>Wake uses screened secondaries, but apparently receiving a secondary only means they want your $$. (D1 and BF were both rejected in under 12 hours of submitted secondaries. This has happened to other NM kids too. I suspect geographic profiling.)*</p>
<p>Wow about G’town. yikes. </p>
<p>Why do you think geographic profiling hurt NM kids?</p>
<p>DD did apply to nearly every school in the middle of the country. She sincerely did NOT want to go back east and felt anything in the midwest would be preferable. She did get nearly all the secondaries, including screened secondaries, but other than two in AZ and two in TX plus her West Coast school, there was no love from the middle of the country.</p>
<p>I do think it can be difficult to ascertain the OOS possibilities, I see people on boards all the time asking about UW & very very few OOS students are offered and interview let alone admissions. And yet, there is a student on this board who was offered an OOS spot, so it is tough. I would tell OOS kids not to bother wasting the money. It is important to learn that info about any OOS schools considered.</p>
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<p>High in-state acceptance rate (~45% of all applicants), COA <1/2 WF SOM, and rankings that aren’t that far apart, particularly in primary care.</p>
<p>I suspect that Wake feels that any NM student who has the stats to get into Wake will also be accepted in-state–which is a much less expensive.</p>
<p>*DD did apply to nearly every school in the middle of the country. *</p>
<p>Do you mean private, public or both? Was she accepted to any of those? She’s at a Calif SOM, right?</p>
<p>^ I think she was admitted into UDub early in the application cycle and very soon cancelled all other applications.</p>
<p>MCAT is right, she was admitted to UW very early, she did not apply to any UCs, though did to USC & LL. She applied to most of the middle schools, public and private- not places like NV & UT & NM which were clearly not interested in OOS kids, but places like MI/WI/KS/etc, yes and also Creighton & SLU. It was a lot of information to gather and stats can be misleading as to whether OOS is a realistic possibility. I am sure some of her apps were as much a waste as UW would be for non residents.</p>
<p>IIR, her interviews invites in the east were places like DC/VA/PA.</p>
<p>Somemom…where did your D go for undergrad?</p>
<p>Just another thing about Gtown…its secondary is atrociously long! They require a 5000 char. essay about why you want to go to Gtown, which is basically as long as your personal statement. I nixed Gtown after I sent in my primary application. I finished secondaries at 13 schools FWIW.</p>
<p>I think I remember my D talking about the Georgetown essay. I encouraged her to do it, knowing somebody that had similar stats that was going there. D was rejected pre interview. Accepted at Wake and BU that both have similar acceptance rates.</p>
<p>I think that somemom’s D went to Cal.</p>
<p>Is he an Amgen Scholar? If yes, he should access his Amgen network to ask this question.</p>
<p>EDIT: Since he isn’t pre-PhD / MD, then he is probably not an Amgen Scholar. But I guess it is worth to ask this question (in case he is).</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.amgenscholars.eu/[/url]”>http://www.amgenscholars.eu/</a></p>
<p>Not all Amgen Scholars go MD/PhD–some go plain MD.</p>
<p>M2’s son isn’t an Amgen. (But one of my Ds is.)</p>
<p>For students who complete REU, SURF, Amgen, etc. but go just plain MD in the end, do you think most of them have an honest career change throughout college or they just lie (to have something good to put on their MD applications)? Most REU, SURF, Amgen say that to be eligible, you would have to have a desire to get a PhD or PhD / MD.</p>
<p>I know a couple of PIs at a few schools in CA who would get angry at pre-MDs/PharmDs who would straight up lie to the PI about wanting to do research to get a PhD, but in the end they apply for MD. These are the PIs who reserve their undergraduate research positions for pre-PhD students only. Most of said PIs (that I know of) wouldn’t even give LORs to MD/PharmD applicants (especially if they made it clear that they wanted pre-PhD students only).</p>
<p>I heard this one PI made a student sign a contract, threatening legal options if the PI found out that a student was lying just to get a position. The contract did say if the student had a career change and was no longer pursue PhD or PhD / PharmD or PhD / MD, the student would have to notify the PI ASAP.</p>
<p>Would doing research even help MD applications?</p>
<p>I know a CoC Chemical Biology major at UCB who has been doing research involving plants for 3 years and he wants to go to plain MD school to be a plastic surgeon. I don’t know where he is going with this. <em>Shrugs</em>.</p>
<p>What if a student (under contract) just lies and say he applied to PhD schools and got all rejections and then went to MD school due to running out of options?</p>
<p>I’m not sure how this would be enforced.</p>
<p>Sorry for being off the subject. DS1 is going to do his summer research in his school after freshmen year. There was no written or verbal commitment of pursuing graduate studies three years from now. But, this question is always on my mind since I recall reading posts on this board about professor’s dislike of pre-meds. Is it a good idea to inform his PI of his pre-med intention? Do pre-med freshmen make their intention clear before joining a research group in the home college? Sometimes, it is awkward to do that.</p>
<p>You mean the PI of the student’s own school or a SURF PI? If the student got accepted to SURF already then just do the SURF I guess.</p>
<p>Some PIs make you write a 1 paragraph SOP about your career goals before joining.</p>
<p>But I knew a PI who refused to give a LOR to a pre-MD applicant. The student in question didn’t know that the PI wanted only pre-PhD students, so the student was sad in the end, but it was still kind of the PI’s fault for not making this clear at the beginning.</p>
<p>If the PI doesn’t say anything, then I guess it would be awkward to bring it up.</p>
<p>RE: research</p>
<p>Research does help MD applications even if the research itself is not especially relevant to medicine. I know MD students who have research in music theory, climate change, high energy physics, environmental policy, combinatorics, 19th C Victorian Lit.</p>
<p>IMO, med schools look at research as a proxy for things like: intellectual curiosity, self discipline and the ability/willingness to undertake and complete a rigorous task that has no guarantee of an successful outcome.</p>
<p>All characteristics that doctors need to have.</p>
<p>Georgetown does get a ton of applications, but if you can clearly articulate why the Jesuit tradition would be important to your medical education and make you a better physician in the essay you can separate yourself from the application pack. I got an interview there and my MCAT was just mediocre (low 30’s) with one <10 subsection. Same thing goes for Loyola Chicago. Put the time into the essays for those schools and you will reap the benefits. I guess that goes for virtually all med schools but especially these privates with unique identities.</p>