If you are a fan of the Outlander series by Diana Gabaldon

oh one more thing I loved was called out by this recap -

S1 E3 was my second-favorite episode and I loved that part too :slight_smile:

Also this:

WHEN will DG tell us what that was about???

This recap - http://www.outlandertvnews.com/2017/10/outlander-recapreview-episode-306-a-malcolm/

Loved episode 6, although I was disappointed that the writers didnā€™t use the line about Claireā€™s stretchmarks.

"ā€œAye, well.ā€ He reached to touch my stomach, his eyes holding mine. ā€œAnd if ye bear the scars of your own battles, Sassenach,ā€ he said softly, ā€œthey dinna trouble me, either.ā€

I always thought it was a lovely thing to say, and it would have made a good compliment to Jamieā€™s awkwardness about his eyeglasses. Claire is supposed to be fifty in the book at this point and she looks practically identical to the way she did before. Itā€™s hard to believe that she feels self conscious about her body when she still looks like a Victoriaā€™s Secret model.

I thought that was a reference to a C-section scar. But yeah, theyā€™ve non-aged by Hollywood standards havenā€™t they.

<p>So the show kind of dropped the bomb there at the end. Disappointing.</p>

GRRRRā€¦My whole post was lost. First, are we allowed to discuss spoilers after each episode? Iā€™m not sure why we canā€™t after the fact.

Spoilers until we agreeā€¦

Why why why!!! Did they tell the audience that he had another wife? That was one of the best scenes in the 3rd book. It was so shocking I thinked I yelled when Marsali walked in on them at Lallybrock and said what she did. Why put teasers throught the whole last few episodes and do the big reveal like this. They are really screwing up this season, IMHO.

I also read that the reunion scene was written like the book, with Jamie breaking down in Claireā€™s arms. But Sam didnā€™t want to film it like that? Why wouldnā€™t he want to? People are pretty made on Outlander forum boards. Heā€™s an OK actor, but Iā€™m tired of the 3 facial expressions he has. I wonder if he didnā€™t think he had the chops to do it. I donā€™t know. They are really messing up season 3 for me, one of my favorite books.

I totally agree! Why did they let the cat out of the bag. In the book it was such a surprise and that had a big impact. That didnā€™t make me happy.

Sam said that he didnā€™t break down because he felt that would make the scene too melodramatic. Umm, I wanted it to be a little melodramatic!

Though I absolutely loved ep 6, I did not love ep 7. It had some nice points but I didnā€™t like the J-C scenes.

Felt like they were back to sniping at each other like in France and they JUST got back together.

I will withhold judgment on the Marsali business until that actually happens. No surprise was ruined for ME, and I am not sure i care that much about the experience of folks who havenā€™t bothered to read the books by now!

I hadnā€™t read that Sam didnā€™t want to do the print shop scene as written. I disagree with him. that it would have been too melodramatic. I donā€™t think Iā€™m alone in saying it was such a stirring, heart rending scene. After seeing the assault scenes in season one, I am astounded he didnā€™t feel he had the chops. Those scenes were haunting and revealed quite a bit more depth than I had expected.

SPOILERS:

The Marsali scene in the book had such a huge impact; I felt they really dropped the ball on this one. However, I will reserve final judgment on it after I see how they handle it when the total reveal takes place.

I looked up the ep 6 falling apart thing - http://ew.com/tv/2017/10/25/outlander-sam-heughan-avoided-melodrama/ - he didnā€™t say he didnā€™t have the chops, he just felt different about the expression of the falling apart.

Like I said, I really liked 6 so Iā€™m not complaining. I can pick apart 7 though :smiley:

DH has been watching the series with me. He has such a hard time with accents, I often have to translate. He had no reaction to Fergusā€™ reveal. I think he didnā€™t catch it! So I may at least have the pleasure of seeing him get blown away after all.

@Nrdsb4 Thatā€™s what closed captioning is good for!

I really did not like last nights episode. Is it just me or did Jaimie just seem like a jerk? I think one of the loveable things about this character is that he was tough but tender and tempered by some naivete and a self sacrificing nature.

I understand that 20 years has past and that changes a person a lot and I think that is was Sam it trying to portray. I think he has some outstanding acting ability (as evidenced in earlier episodes), but he seems so disconnected from his character, particularly with Claire. I am wondering if he is ā€œoverā€ the part or is not getting along with Caitriona? I did have a glimmer of hope last night as I watched his expression as the shop burnt down.

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Iā€™m the one that said maybe he didnā€™t have the ā€œchopsā€, not him. And I also did read he thought it would be melodramatic? What??? Why would he think that? All the gushy stuff he says throughout (I know itā€™s in the books), the rape sceneā€¦just tons of stuff and he thinks finding out about his daughter, seeing pictures of her and breaking down in Claireā€™s arms is melodramaticā€¦especially after the shock of Claire coming back? Iā€™m thinking that HE thinks maybe he couldnā€™t pull it offā€¦so used the excuse of melodramatic.

So what is the best Outlander Fan forum? Iā€™d be interested to read the comments for this season.

Good things about episode 7 IMO were:

Performances of Fergus and especially Young Ian. Ian Bell really showed how someone not so conventionally good looking could be very charming and attract the ladies.

The relationship between Claire and Mr. Willoughby. This is fleshed out better than in the books I think, and avoids racial caricature.

I initially thought that it was a mistake to reveal Jamieā€™s second marriage so soon, but I read this from Outlanderā€™s Executive Producer in the Hollywood Reporter and I think it makes sense.

ā€œBecause weā€™re watching it in a different medium, when you read about it Claire is taking you through it, itā€™s easy to not delve into Jamieā€™s inner thoughts,ā€ Roberts tells THR. ā€œBut when you visibly see Jamie on the screen, you have to play that something is bothering him, something heā€™s holding in. When you do that enough, you have to give the audience a little bread crumb to know what this is.ā€

Not so good things:

The strained conversation between Jamie and Claire where she gives him a lecture about parental responsibility and he says that theyā€™ve been lying so much that a few more lies wonā€™t make any difference. In the books, Claire never comes across as a nag and Jamie has a moral compass. The screen version doesnā€™t ring true.

They left out one of my favorite jokes about gooseflesh. I know itā€™s impossible to include everything but I think the show is missing some of the best humor from the books.

The one I like to read the most is Diana Gabaldonā€™s Facebook page. Tons of comments from fansā€¦they donā€™t hold back at all. She responds sometimes.
@AlbionGirl ā€¦thanks for the Producer comment. I guess I still donā€™t agree with their analysis and IMHO, it didnā€™t work. That was one of the main shockers in the books, to many people, and I think they ruined it. Jaime was giving enough hints that he was hiding something. I think they just used it for a cliffhanger, and that was a waste. It made a lot of people disappointed and Episode 7 one of their least favorites.

I think typically DG stands up for the producer decisions, but this one sheā€™s not making a lot of comments to the angry posts. Iā€™m sure she agrees with the assessment. Book 3 is one of my favorites, the reunion scene and then back at Lallybroch when Claire finds outā€¦and theyā€™ve ruined it.

I read a bit of her FB page. Interesting comment from DG:

That makes me think that at some point, it was worse, and perhaps she got them to make at least some changes.

As one who hasnā€™t got to Book 3 yet, I could see something was bothering Jamie and I thought he had married Madame Jeanne, or perhaps was part owner of the brothel, so I was glad they let us know then that heā€™s hiding a wife somewhere, which heā€™s said (and theyā€™ve made him repeat in this episode) that he doesnā€™t love. It makes me curious about the circumstances that led to the marriage.
Poor Jamie, in those days he wouldnā€™t have had insurance, so heā€™s lost everything, literally, his production, his means of earning a living, and the location for his job. :frowning:
Itā€™s probably realistic that Jamie would still be bothered by the bikini, considering in his time period a womanā€™s quality is linked to how much stuff sheā€™s wearing!

Yeah, I think the writers presented Claire as being pretty dense to bring him a picture of his daughter wearing a bikini. She knew what 18th century Scotland was like. Why would she do that? Not believable at all, and frankly kind of annoying.

I think I recall when Jamie was astonished at seeing he in the bikini, she told him she thought he would want to see what all of her looked like (and bikinis were acceptable in her time). I donā€™t know why she would think that.

I also recall that throughout that time, DG was putting hints about a wife, but they were not so overt as in the series, where you would think that he was with the Madam or connected to the brothel. As a matter of fact, I think they were so slyly put in, many of us had to go back and reread that part to see themā€¦sneaky Diana. Thatā€™s why then she did the big reveal, it was such a shocker to us! For instance, Mr. Willoughby kept calling her not ā€œHonorable Wifeā€, but ā€œHonorable First Wifeā€ in the book. (that term in very common, so no one thought anything of itā€¦plus Mr. Willoughby spoke broken English in the book). There were quiet discussions going on when Claire would walk into the room and it would stop. There was mention of getting Ned Gowan to meet them, but that still flew over many heads.