Loved episode 6, although I was disappointed that the writers didnāt use the line about Claireās stretchmarks.
"āAye, well.ā He reached to touch my stomach, his eyes holding mine. āAnd if ye bear the scars of your own battles, Sassenach,ā he said softly, āthey dinna trouble me, either.ā
I always thought it was a lovely thing to say, and it would have made a good compliment to Jamieās awkwardness about his eyeglasses. Claire is supposed to be fifty in the book at this point and she looks practically identical to the way she did before. Itās hard to believe that she feels self conscious about her body when she still looks like a Victoriaās Secret model.
GRRRRā¦My whole post was lost. First, are we allowed to discuss spoilers after each episode? Iām not sure why we canāt after the fact.
Spoilers until we agreeā¦
Why why why!!! Did they tell the audience that he had another wife? That was one of the best scenes in the 3rd book. It was so shocking I thinked I yelled when Marsali walked in on them at Lallybrock and said what she did. Why put teasers throught the whole last few episodes and do the big reveal like this. They are really screwing up this season, IMHO.
I also read that the reunion scene was written like the book, with Jamie breaking down in Claireās arms. But Sam didnāt want to film it like that? Why wouldnāt he want to? People are pretty made on Outlander forum boards. Heās an OK actor, but Iām tired of the 3 facial expressions he has. I wonder if he didnāt think he had the chops to do it. I donāt know. They are really messing up season 3 for me, one of my favorite books.
Though I absolutely loved ep 6, I did not love ep 7. It had some nice points but I didnāt like the J-C scenes.
Felt like they were back to sniping at each other like in France and they JUST got back together.
I will withhold judgment on the Marsali business until that actually happens. No surprise was ruined for ME, and I am not sure i care that much about the experience of folks who havenāt bothered to read the books by now!
I hadnāt read that Sam didnāt want to do the print shop scene as written. I disagree with him. that it would have been too melodramatic. I donāt think Iām alone in saying it was such a stirring, heart rending scene. After seeing the assault scenes in season one, I am astounded he didnāt feel he had the chops. Those scenes were haunting and revealed quite a bit more depth than I had expected.
SPOILERS:
The Marsali scene in the book had such a huge impact; I felt they really dropped the ball on this one. However, I will reserve final judgment on it after I see how they handle it when the total reveal takes place.
DH has been watching the series with me. He has such a hard time with accents, I often have to translate. He had no reaction to Fergusā reveal. I think he didnāt catch it! So I may at least have the pleasure of seeing him get blown away after all.
I really did not like last nights episode. Is it just me or did Jaimie just seem like a jerk? I think one of the loveable things about this character is that he was tough but tender and tempered by some naivete and a self sacrificing nature.
I understand that 20 years has past and that changes a person a lot and I think that is was Sam it trying to portray. I think he has some outstanding acting ability (as evidenced in earlier episodes), but he seems so disconnected from his character, particularly with Claire. I am wondering if he is āoverā the part or is not getting along with Caitriona? I did have a glimmer of hope last night as I watched his expression as the shop burnt down.
Iām the one that said maybe he didnāt have the āchopsā, not him. And I also did read he thought it would be melodramatic? What??? Why would he think that? All the gushy stuff he says throughout (I know itās in the books), the rape sceneā¦just tons of stuff and he thinks finding out about his daughter, seeing pictures of her and breaking down in Claireās arms is melodramaticā¦especially after the shock of Claire coming back? Iām thinking that HE thinks maybe he couldnāt pull it offā¦so used the excuse of melodramatic.
Performances of Fergus and especially Young Ian. Ian Bell really showed how someone not so conventionally good looking could be very charming and attract the ladies.
The relationship between Claire and Mr. Willoughby. This is fleshed out better than in the books I think, and avoids racial caricature.
I initially thought that it was a mistake to reveal Jamieās second marriage so soon, but I read this from Outlanderās Executive Producer in the Hollywood Reporter and I think it makes sense.
āBecause weāre watching it in a different medium, when you read about it Claire is taking you through it, itās easy to not delve into Jamieās inner thoughts,ā Roberts tells THR. āBut when you visibly see Jamie on the screen, you have to play that something is bothering him, something heās holding in. When you do that enough, you have to give the audience a little bread crumb to know what this is.ā
Not so good things:
The strained conversation between Jamie and Claire where she gives him a lecture about parental responsibility and he says that theyāve been lying so much that a few more lies wonāt make any difference. In the books, Claire never comes across as a nag and Jamie has a moral compass. The screen version doesnāt ring true.
They left out one of my favorite jokes about gooseflesh. I know itās impossible to include everything but I think the show is missing some of the best humor from the books.
The one I like to read the most is Diana Gabaldonās Facebook page. Tons of comments from fansā¦they donāt hold back at all. She responds sometimes. @AlbionGirl ā¦thanks for the Producer comment. I guess I still donāt agree with their analysis and IMHO, it didnāt work. That was one of the main shockers in the books, to many people, and I think they ruined it. Jaime was giving enough hints that he was hiding something. I think they just used it for a cliffhanger, and that was a waste. It made a lot of people disappointed and Episode 7 one of their least favorites.
I think typically DG stands up for the producer decisions, but this one sheās not making a lot of comments to the angry posts. Iām sure she agrees with the assessment. Book 3 is one of my favorites, the reunion scene and then back at Lallybroch when Claire finds outā¦and theyāve ruined it.
As one who hasnāt got to Book 3 yet, I could see something was bothering Jamie and I thought he had married Madame Jeanne, or perhaps was part owner of the brothel, so I was glad they let us know then that heās hiding a wife somewhere, which heās said (and theyāve made him repeat in this episode) that he doesnāt love. It makes me curious about the circumstances that led to the marriage.
Poor Jamie, in those days he wouldnāt have had insurance, so heās lost everything, literally, his production, his means of earning a living, and the location for his job.
Itās probably realistic that Jamie would still be bothered by the bikini, considering in his time period a womanās quality is linked to how much stuff sheās wearing!
Yeah, I think the writers presented Claire as being pretty dense to bring him a picture of his daughter wearing a bikini. She knew what 18th century Scotland was like. Why would she do that? Not believable at all, and frankly kind of annoying.
I think I recall when Jamie was astonished at seeing he in the bikini, she told him she thought he would want to see what all of her looked like (and bikinis were acceptable in her time). I donāt know why she would think that.
I also recall that throughout that time, DG was putting hints about a wife, but they were not so overt as in the series, where you would think that he was with the Madam or connected to the brothel. As a matter of fact, I think they were so slyly put in, many of us had to go back and reread that part to see themā¦sneaky Diana. Thatās why then she did the big reveal, it was such a shocker to us! For instance, Mr. Willoughby kept calling her not āHonorable Wifeā, but āHonorable First Wifeā in the book. (that term in very common, so no one thought anything of itā¦plus Mr. Willoughby spoke broken English in the book). There were quiet discussions going on when Claire would walk into the room and it would stop. There was mention of getting Ned Gowan to meet them, but that still flew over many heads.