"If you can pay, we'll let you attend."

<p>The net-net is this; only a handful of colleges are need blind and those that are are amongst some of the most competitive regarding admissions. The overwhelming majority of the rest of the 4000 college in this country are need-aware or need sensitive. Even at those schools money becomes a more important factor at the end of the admissions cycle when the school has exhausted their FA budget and are choosing between 2 similiarly qualified candidates where the tip (emphasis on tip) will go to the student who needs the least amount of money. </p>

<p>However, don't think that your ability to full pay will make up for grades and stats that don't even put you in the park.</p>

<p>iamdangermouse, regarding Pomona College, it's not so surprising that they are need blind, given that they have a huge endowment, especially relative to the number of students (<1600)... It's a great school with a sublime campus atmosphere... highly competitive, though... here's some interesting info:</p>

<p>Financial Aid </p>

<p>Pomona is one of only a handful of institutions in the nation still committed to need-blind admissions and need-based financial aid. These policies enable Pomona to choose its students solely on the basis of educational considerations such as talent, promise and ability to contribute to the campus learning environment. This ensures that the best students can attend, regardless of financial wherewithal.</p>

<p>During 2005-06, a total of approximately $24 million was awarded to 806 Pomona College students in the form of financial aid.</p>

<p>Average aid package: $29,700
Average scholarship: $24,700
Average self-help (work + loan): $5,000</p>

<p>College Finances </p>

<p>Total budget for 2005-06: $111,220,000
As of June 30, 2005:
Market value of endowment fund balance for the College: $1,300,081,000
Total assets: $1,844,671,000</p>

<p>Boston College is needblind?????
Boston College is known for practicing "Admit-deny"---- that is providing a financial-aid package that is so rotten that students needing financial aid are shut out. That said, the aid package will improve if you are a highly desirable candidate. </p>

<p><a href="http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstra...0994DD4044%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstra...0994DD4044&lt;/a> 82</p>

<p>Here's your response to need blind on BC [fourth bullet]:</p>

<p><a href="http://www.bc.edu/admission/undergrad/studentsofcolor/ahanaprocess/%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.bc.edu/admission/undergrad/studentsofcolor/ahanaprocess/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>And the only thing need-blind guarantees is that your financial status will in no way affect your application, though it doesn't guarantee a good financial aid package.</p>

<p>Remember there is a difference between need blind and demonstrated need. Need blind simply means that your needing financial aid is not a factor in the admissions decision. </p>

<p>Just because a school has a need blind admissions does not necessarily mean that they will meet 100% of your demonstrated need, that you need will be met with large amounts of grant aid as loans are considered meeting your need or your need will be met the same way that it is met at another school. </p>

<p>The school determines what your financial need and this can sometimes mean that there can be a major disconnect between what the school feels you could pay based on your income and assets and what a family feels they can affrod to pay . This is escpecially true when it comes to determining a family's EFC: </p>

<p>Your EFC will not be based on how much your family can afford to contribute. It will be based on their actual income and assets including money in the bank, stock, inheritances, property, businesses, etc.</p>

<p>There will be a big difference between the EFC numbers your get for the FAFSA which only determines your eligibility for federal aid (pell grants and loans) and the CSS profile which is what the college uses to determine how they are going to distribute their institutional funds .</p>

<p>Differences between the IM and FM models are</p>

<p>IM collects information on estimated academic year family income, medical expenses, elementary and secondary school tuition and unusual circumstances. FM omits these questions.</p>

<p>IM considers a fuller range of family asset information, while FM ignores assets of siblings, all assets of certain families with less than $50,000 of income, and both home and family farm equity.</p>

<p>FM defines income as the “adjusted gross income” on federal tax returns, plus various categories of untaxed income. IM includes in total income any paper depreciation, business, rental or capital losses which artificially reduce adjusted gross income.</p>

<p>FM does not assume a minimum student contribution to education; IM expects the student, as primary beneficiary of the education, to devote some time each year to earning money to pay for education.</p>

<p>FM ignores the noncustodial parent in cases of divorce or separation; IM expects parents to help pay for education, regardless of current marital status.</p>

<p>FM and IM apply different percentages to adjust the parental contribution when multiple siblings are simultaneously enrolled in college, and IM considers only siblings enrolled in undergraduate programs.</p>

<p>The IM expected family share represents a best estimate of a family’s capacity (relative to other families) to absorb, over time, the costs of education. It is not an assessment of cash on hand, a value judgment about how much a family should be able to use current income, or a measure of liquidity. The final determinations of demonstrated need and awards rest with the University and are based upon a uniform and consistent treatment of family circumstances.</p>

<p>Except in the most extraordinary circumstances, Colleges classifies incoming students as dependent upon parents for institutional aid purposes, even though some students may meet the federal definition of “independence.”</p>

<p>Students enrolling as dependent students are considered dependent throughout their undergraduate years when need for institutional scholarships is determined.</p>

<p>For institutional aid purposes a student may not “declare” independence due to attainment of legal age, internal family arrangements, marriage or family disagreements.</p>

<p>Your COA (cost of attendance) is tuition, room board, books travel expenses and some misc. expenses associated with attending college.</p>

<p>As a student, there are cumulative limit of $23,000 which you can borrow for an undergraduate education using stafford loans.</p>

<p>I don't believe any college is need-blind. All the colleges that claim to be need-blind have lots of no-need applicants. Imagine if all of a sudden all the applicants needed financial aid. Do you think they would accept all of them? I don't. But they can count on there always being no-need applicants w/ great stats to accept.</p>

<p>Wait in what way does having plenty of no-need applicants result in a college not being need-blind?</p>

<p>Most schools these days don't look at need during most students admissions processes. But when you get to special cases such as international students, transfer students, or even students on waitlists - things do change. But because they are special cases and don't fall under the regular admit-deny-waitlist an American incoming freshman, they can still claim that they are need-blind.</p>

<p>Priceless, the answer to your hypothetical is that they would accept all those kids but not meet their full demonstrated need.</p>

<p>"Demonstrated Need" is also extremely vague... When I applied to college 2 years ago, the computation of my Expected Family Contribution varied greatly with a range of at least $10K. They don't have to take the PR negative of not meeting your demonstrated need, all they have to do is to raise your expected family contribution. Then they can say they're meeting the demonstrated need, even though they really aren't.</p>

<p>true . . . but the point is it wont keep them from admitting you</p>

<p>Tony, they can be need-blind because everyone does not need aid. If everyone did, like dima said, then I don't believe they would advertise being need-blind, no matter how big their endowment is.</p>

<p>huumm interesting thread!!!let see if i got it.Let's pretend we have two students same grades sats ....applying to a top school..one is willing to pay whatever it wiil cost to study there , the other one is relaying on financial aid.. who would get in?
i will push it more one with less impressive stats but very impressive pocket .How about that?</p>

<p>If you are an international student, you scenario could very well be the case and most likely is the case becasuse most schools are not need blind to international students.</p>

<p>In the case of HYP, they will work on a premise of to those whom have much been given, much is required if the student with less resources got the same thing done as the student who has more more, the student with less $$ would get the tip.</p>

<p>thanks NorCalDad : )</p>