<p>Hey guys, I was wondering if you knew if these schools that I am applying to next year are need blind or not, and feel free to list any other need blind schools that are similar to these.</p>
<p>Bucknell
C of Charleston
Clemson
UConn
Elon
Franklin & Marshall
Georgia
Indiana
Lehigh
Maryland (CP)
Miami Ohio
U of Miami
Penn State
Richmond
Syracuse
Yale</p>
<p>Thanks for your help! </p>
<p>most schools are need-blind, but that only deals with admission.</p>
<p>most of those schools that you have listed are need-blind, but do not promise to meet need or give much aid at all. </p>
<p>i think you are confused. you sound like you have need. need-blind doesnt mean that they will give you aid.</p>
<p>^ OP, mom2 makes the important point. If you are concerned about need-blind, then it sure seems you need aid. Getting an admit can mean little if the school doesn’t offer the aid you need. Read their web pages where they explain finaid policies. And run the NPCs linked on each site. Don’t assume anything. </p>
<p>The only one that is not need blind that I am aware of is F&M. But they do tend to meet full need and give generous packages for those who are admitted. You can do a lot better there than at most of the other schools you have listed that are need blind but simply do not meet need very well at all. The difference could be that at the need aware school that meets full need you can either get not get accepted due to need or just because you don’t make the cut or get accepted and get full need met. With a like school that is need blind but does not meet full need a lot of the time, you won’t get turned down due to need, but still you can be turned down , but if accepted you may not get your financial aid met. In fact, at a number of schools, you might get only a little bit of your financial need met, or none other than government entitlement you could use most anywhere. and the chances of getting substantial need met are less than getting accepted with need met at the school that is not need blind. Crazy, isn’t it? </p>
<p>Only Richmond and Yale on your list are need blind for admissions AND will meet 100% of their defined need for those accepted. F&M is not need blind but will meet 100% of their defined need for those accepted. The rest are need blind but do not guranantee to meet 100% of need for those students they accept.</p>
<p>Yeah I think I phrased my question wrong. I am looking to see which of those schools are need blind FOR ADMISSION. At some of those schools, (in state UConn, Charleston, etc.), I won’t need any aid at all, however at a Yale, Richmond, or Bucknell, I might need to apply. However, I would like to know which are NOT need blind for admission so I know how much I’d need to make personally to pay for the aid I would not apply for.</p>
<p>For example see Yale <a href=“http://admissions.yale.edu/faq/applying-yale-college#t179n1378”>http://admissions.yale.edu/faq/applying-yale-college#t179n1378</a>
And, <a href=“http://admissions.yale.edu/financial-aid”>http://admissions.yale.edu/financial-aid</a>
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<p>All but F&M are need blind for admissions as far as I know. </p>
<p>???</p>
<p>are you reapplying? you got into some good schools this year.</p>
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I don’t think you understood what @mom2collegekids was saying. If you have need and are trying to find schools willing to fill it, those are not necessarily schools that are need blind but those that meet need. Maybe this will help
<a href=“Need-blind admission - Wikipedia”>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Need-blind_admission</a></p>
<p>I’ll bite. I’m confused. If you have need, you need to apply for aid regardless of whether the school is need blind…or not.</p>
<p>Actually I am also confused…my understanding is that all but a handful of schools are need-blind. I have been assuming that UNLESS they state in their policies that they are…then they ain’t. Some use the word “need sensitive” which softens the blow and sounds compassionate but which actually means that the bar is raised – if you are full pay you can get admitted more easily than if you have the same stats and apply for need-based aid.</p>
<p>Oops, I mean my understanding is that all but a handful of schools are not need-blind. I mean, most schools – the vast majority – are not need-blind. (See how confusing it is?)</p>
<p>Most schools, like the vast, vast , vast majority, almost all of them ARE NEED BLIND in admissions. If you apply to East State Tech, it’s need blind. Community college needblind… State U need blind. Local Private school that accepts most kids, need blind, local Catholic school need blind. They don’t care whether you can afford to pay or not when they look at your application. They also make no assurances of meeting full need and most do not unless it’s a state school for commuters where the costs are low enough that state and federal subsidies can meet need. But need blind is what almost every single school in this country is.</p>
<p>The need aware schools are those school that are selective in admissions. They look at the applications carefully and tend to reject more applicants than they accept. They want the best students they can get, and they also tend to give great financial aid for those they accept, BUT they have the problem of not being able to meet everyone’s need that they want to accept. They do NOT want to accept kids that can’t afford to go there. These are selective schools that want to keep their rankings up there. So they pick and choose those kids that they can afford to give enough aid to attend and turn down kids that they can’t afford to give the aid they need to attend. So if accepted, usually at these need aware school, the aid package is good. But you could get rejected if you need fin aid if you are in that group where there money has run out. Usually your chances are unaffected if you need is low, but if it’s high, you gotta be worth the money they give you or they reject you. If they have $50K to give out, it’s better to offer it up to 10 kids who need $5K than to one that needs $50K and who will probably need more in future years because the family has no margin to come up with anything. </p>
<p>F&M is a need aware school. A very good school, very selective school and they do tend to give good aid packages to all who have it and are accepted. They want the kids that get the offer letters to go there. But because they don’t have the funds to meet everyone’s need that they want to accept on a need blind basis, when they run low on the finanical aid money, they will accept those with less or no need to stretch out what’s left and get the number of acceptances out there so that they have a full class within budget. </p>
<p>NYU, on the other hand is a need blind school that does not meet full need you. You get accepted regardless of need, but they aren’t necessarily going to give you any money regardless of need. If they want you badly enough, they’ll meet your need, sometimes better than schools that guarantee to meet full need, but otherwise you might get gapped, depending on whether you are on their A-list, B, C list. At need aware schools the C list kids get a rejection letter. At NYU, they get accepted but don’t get financial aid. Which way is better, depends upon the individual. A family with a rich grandma lurking in the background can apply to NYU and see what they come up with in aid, without worrying about getting rejected due to the need, and then decide whether it’s worth getting grandma to pay if it’s the best offer or look to a school that did ante up. WIth F&M, if you get rejected, you never really know if it’s because you had more need than they wanted give you in funds or if you just didn’t make the cut.</p>
<p>THere is also that category of schools that is need blind for admissions AND guarantees to meet full need. Some of those schools are the ivies, some are the highly selective LACs, very few state schools, like maybe 3. I think UVA, UNC-CH and UMi are need blind and also meet full need, for state residents anyways for UMich and I don’t know exactly what caveat UNC has. But none of the other state schools have that guarantee, though many of them do guarantee to meet need in terms of tuition and fees or make a huge effort to do so for in staters. THe SUNYS generally will. They’ll come up with some money from their own funds if TAP, PELL, Direct Loan, workstudy, and other federal funds don’t cover the need up to the tuition and fees. And there is a SUNY around just about anywhere in NY so most anyone can commute to a college here. </p>
<p>Need blind is not the criteria if you are looking for in financial aid - you look for a school with a large endowment that says they meet full need. Full need as seen by the school - which still means you or your family will have to come up with the money for the gap between what they give you and what you can afford - which averages $9K.</p>
<p>It’s even trickier than that, Akebias. If your stats are up there and you are someone a given school might want, even if the school may not guarantee to meet full need, they just might meet it for you. With bells on I’ve seen some impressive packages from NYU for those they most wanted. Like the best package those students got. But if NYU doesn’t particularly want a student, they may not get a dime from the school itself, just the entitlements from government.</p>
<p>NYU is a need blind school with a small endowment and does not meet need! Of the schools on the list only Yale has a huge endowment, is need blind and meets full need. Of course it is the hardest to get into.</p>
<p>So much confusion with some of these responses.</p>
<p>ALL the schools you listed there are “NEED-BLIND” when it comes to admission, as do most US colleges and Universities.
However, only: F&M, RICHMOND & YALE will meet 100% of students demonstrated need if admitted.
Best of Luck to you.</p>
<p>Here’s an interesting article on need blind vs need aware schools <a href=“Need-blind vs. Need-aware: Be Aware – Experts Corner | Applerouth”>Page not found – Experts Corner | Applerouth;
and an article from the GW paper about its being need aware, not need blind <a href=“http://www.gwhatchet.com/2013/10/24/across-u-s-colleges-turn-toward-need-aware-policies-to-manage-financial-shortcomings/”>http://www.gwhatchet.com/2013/10/24/across-u-s-colleges-turn-toward-need-aware-policies-to-manage-financial-shortcomings/</a></p>
<p>Yes, NYU does not meet 100% of need for the vast majority of their students. BUT, they do meet full need for some of them like nearly 500 hundred kids each year. Those lucky 500 get 100% of their need met by NYU and their definition of need can be more generous than some of the schools that guarantee to meet need. I know a few kids who got their best fin aid package from NYU by far because NYU wanted them that badly. Each school has its own way of defining need, you know and it does not have to be consistent from student to student. A major flaw in those % of need met stats is that the need can be defined all over the place. There really should be a stat reporting the % of need met AS DEFINED BY FAFSA EFC, so we can then compare apples to apples, but that isn’t there With the NPCs, we can come a bit closer, but the bottom line is how much is any given school going to give YOU. That’s all that matters. Who cares what the other 99.99999% get?</p>
<p>It is entirely possible to get a better aid package from F&M which is need aware than from Richmond and Yale. It’s also possible to get a lot more from Richmond than Yale. On average, not. But it can happen as Yale likely won’t budge and Richmond just might for a Yale calibre student So need aware is not necessarily a factor to eliminate a school from a list when looking for fin aid. Don’t bother if you are on the fringes of getting accepted but those who are truly Yale calibre, for example, should not hesitate in applying to F&M as the chances of getting aid from there is a lot higher since the vast majority of applicants to Yale get NO aid since they are eliminated before they even get their foot in the door admissions wise, even with a need blind admissions policy. A person with Yale type numbers is still unlikely to get into Yale with its single digit accept stats, but that same person would be a hot prospect for F&M and would likely be an “A” prospect for financial when admitted there. I don’t know if F&M has merit within aid, but a lot of schools do which can push an aid package into the generous parameters if any given student is one considered worth of that merit.</p>
<p>We should remember that Fafsa EFC is just starting point. Even at a meet full need school, most do not get aid based on the Fafsa, but on the school’s own calculation of your need, per their formula. (And then their ability to fund you.) The closest look-see is their NPC. I do agree one’s desirability does seem to sometimes affect aid. But there’s little way to predict that. Desirability is a matter of your full app and how they respond to that. </p>