If you like Wes you might also want to consider…

<p>[Inspired by a similar thread posted by Unalove for UChicago]</p>

<p>When I was looking for colleges, I found the “other colleges to consider…” things in books very helpful, but limited. I figure we here at CC could probably make longer and broader lists. So, I decided to make such a list for Wesleyan, since that’s obviously my best point of referance. Hopefully someone who is interested in Wes and is still searching for schools will find this thread helpful. </p>

<p>I want to stress that this list is purely a bunch of suggestions of schools that someone who liked Wesleyan might also like (maybe as much or even more than Wes!). I’m not trying to evaluate these schools or say that they are better than other schools or inferior to Wes, because they aren’t. They are just schools that I (and in many cases others) think share certain qualities with Wes. </p>

<p>Obviously, one person who likes Wes won’t like ALL of these other schools…I didn’t! But there are many reasons to look at Wes (or any school), so many different kinds of schools someone who likes Wes might also like. In fact, some of these schools (say, Dartmouth) might seem like the kind of schools that a “typical” Wes student would not like at all, but I know people who found the decision between Wes and these other schools very hard, so I decided to include them. </p>

<p>I’ve split these schools into categories, so that my thinking on why I included them will hopefully be clearer, and the categories might help guide someone when figuring out which schools they might like off of this list.</p>

<p>*Note: There are obviously schools that fit into more than one category. I’ve put each school into the category that seems to be its strongest point of resemblance. So, for example, Vassar is close to Wes in feel, so it goes in the “hippy/alternative” vibe category, even though it is obviously also top Northeast LAC. Williams, OTOH, has a very different feel from Wes, but it does share the location and type of school, and I know people for whom that was a main factor, so I think it should be on this list. Therefore, it goes under “Top NE LAC.” So, basically, these categories aren’t the be-all-end-all of resemblance, they are just a guide for why I chose to put these various schools on the list. *</p>

<p>Also note that this list covers a wide range of selectivity. Some of these schools are harder to get into than Wes, some about the same, and some could serve as matches and safeties for many Wes applicants. I’m not going to try to denote what goes into which category, because that will depend on each person’s individual stats. </p>

<p>*Schools with a hippy/artsy/alternative feel: Bard, Beloit, Bennington, Berkley, Brown, Evergreen State, Goucher, Hampshire, Lewis and Clark, Oberlin, Pitzer, Reed, , Sarah Lawrence, Skidmore, University of Vermont, Vassar, </p>

<p>*Schools with a quirky and intellectual feel: Barnard, Bates, Bryn Myer, Carleton, Colorado College, Connecticut College, Grinnell, Haverford, Kalamazoo, Kenyon, Macalester, NYU (esp. Gallatin), Pomona, Smith, Swarthmore, UChicago, Wellesley</p>

<p>OTher top LACs in the Northeast: Amherst, Bowdoin, Colgate, Middlebury, Williams</p>

<p>Other unis with an undergrad focus: Dartmouth, Brandeis, Rice, Tufts, Yale</p>

<p>I know I’m missing many schools that could be here (esp. Unis, since I personally didn't look at that many). Feel free to recommended others! In fact, please do, the point of this thread is to get different people’s imput so that people still looking for schools can get lots of ideas :D</p>

<p>**Note that there’s a lot of intersect/crossover between the two stared categories, esp. in that the “hippy/alternative schools are also in many cases intellectual, and often quirky too. But the schools listed in the quirky and intellectual category don’t fit the hippy/artsy/alternative category as much, making them like Wes in a different way. That is, people who like Wes specifically for the alternativeness might not like the quirky/intellectual schools as much, so I thought the split made sense. There were definitely some schools where I wasn’t sure quite which of the two to put them in, though.</p>

<p>Also note that there is a stress on the AND in the quirky and intellectual category. Many schools listed in other categories here are also intellectual, but not so much with the quirky/intellectual combo that might be especially appealing to people who like Wes particularly for that combo. *</p>

<p>thank you! this is definitely helpful</p>

<p>aw, I feel honored! And weskid, you defrayed a lot of the flak I got for my thread at the beginning-- I made the unfortunate mistake of suggesting that every school I listed was easier to get into than the U of C.</p>

<p>I myself never really considered Wes (I visited the school and I loved it, I have friends there who are well-known on campus, etc.) because it didn't really fit in to the particular things I wanted in a school, but I still think it's a fantastic place.</p>

<p>I would add Clark and New College of Florida to the list of hippy/artsy schools.</p>

<p>Other schools I would think of as being "similar" to Wes are schools with excellent film schools/ film studies programs. I don't know that many schools offhand that have fantastic film programs besides NYU and Emerson, but I'm sure they're out there.</p>

<p>Yeah, I was trying to preemptively prevent the kinds of objections that can be raised about this kind of list at the beginning. I really think they can be very useful.</p>

<p>As for your suggestions, I TOTALLY meant to add New College of Florida. I hear really good thing about it. Eugene Lang, too. I know less about Clark, though I do know people who like it there (I didn’t know it was hippy/artsy though).</p>

<p>And you're right about film (says the Film major!), though I'd mainly stick to comparing it to schools that allow you to do a lot OTHER than film too (ie. schools that have film as a more-or-less regular major in a liberal art and not it’s own separate thing). Though maybe that’s just a bias towards what I, personally like about the major at Wes. </p>

<p>But anyway, for those interested, I know Columbia has a really good program (and I was considering adding it anyway as a “hip” intellectual school). USC too, obviously, though I’m not sure how much that program lets you pursue other things. There are tons more production oriented schools, but those tend to be really intense into film and less academically focused (though I'm sure there are many exceptions).</p>

<p>PS. I totally feel the same way about U of C. Not for me, but a great place, and I know some awesome people there.</p>

<p>By "Schools with a hippy/artsy/alternative feel" and *Schools with a quirky and intellectual feel" I think Weskid means the ways the named schools are most like Wesleyan, and not that the schools fit best into one of these two categories. E.g., I think Reed is more "quirky and intellectual" (like Swat and Carleton) than "hippy/artsy/alternative" but students might find Reed and Wes more alike in their hippiness than in their intellectual bent. Just a thought.</p>

<p>Yep, Vossron's got that right ;) And as I said, thos two catagories definitley cross paths a lot, so it would be worth looking at schools from both, if either catagorey appeals to you (I, for instance, started out looking at Wes, Brown and Vassar for mainly their hippy/artsyness, but also ended up loving Carelton and Pomona).</p>

<p>it really would be wonderful to have these sorted out into selectivity, i know it differs for different schools and different people's stats, but even sorted on a very general academic level would be super helpful i think. </p>

<p>some of these schools i know nothing about, and it would be nice to see where they stand in comparison i guess?</p>

<p>but i also guess that information isn't too hard to find and sort out on my own. haha.</p>

<p>Granted, this is entirely subjective, based not just on stats but also on things like the most interesting blogs, most interesting alumni and general campus culture:
Yale. Brown, and Columbia
[small drop]
Swarthmore, Amherst, Pomona, Dartmouth, and Rice
[small drop]
Wesleyan, Chicago, Carleton, Williams, and Tufts
[small drop]
Smith, Vassar, Wellesley, Oberlin, Colgate, Middlebury, Bowdoin, Reed, Bates, Haverford, and Brandeis
[bigger drop]
Skidmore, Sarah Lawrence, Bard, and Pitzer
[small drop]
Eugene Lang, Evergreen State, Clark, New College</p>

<p>so skidmore and pitzer(and i guess vassar and bowdoing and reed by a little?) are definitely easier to get into than wesleyan? sounds good to me because i'm applying to them as well! haha</p>

<p>yea, and for women, Vassar and Bowdoin, definitely.</p>

<p>I don’t know if I totally agree with John Wesley on some of his distinctions. Anyway, the way I’d sort these schools in relationship to myself (someone for whom Wes was, say, a low reach or really high match) is this:</p>

<p>Super Reach: Swarthmore, Amherst, Williams, Yale </p>

<p>Reach: Berkley, Brown, Haverford, Pomona, Dartmouth</p>

<p>Low Reach: Carleton, Chicago, Wellesley, Bowdoin, Middleburry </p>

<p>High Match: Vassar, Barnard, Rice, Tufts</p>

<p>Match: Oberlin, Grinnell, NYU, Colgate, Brandeis</p>

<p>Low Match: Bard, Pitzer,* Reed, Bates, Bryn Myer, Colorado College, Connecticut College, Kenyon, Macalester, Smith</p>

<p>Safety: Beloit, Bennington, Evergreen State, Goucher, Hampshire, Lewis and Clark, Skidmore, Sarah Lawrence, University of Vermont, Kalamazoo </p>

<p>*Maybe safty? I here it’s getting a lot more competitive </p>

<p>Note that even within the last category there is a fair amount of variation. However, I did not look at most of those schools closely, and therefore can’t really make further judgment</p>

<p>Also, this is based on what I knew about the schools two years ago when I was applying/what I have learnt since then. I don’t know the stats for all of these schools that well, so this list is by no means perfect. </p>

<p>Also note that I AM doing this in relation to myself (since that’s where I get my sense of these school’s selectivity from), and my scores, though good, were not mind blowing, while my recs and essay rocked, so I tend to put score focused schools a little higher and more “intangibles” schools a little lower.</p>

<p>Re Weskid's categorizations:</p>

<p>I think Yale is by itself; AWS go in with Brown etc.; Haverford and Rice go in with Carleton etc. (as would Berkeley, I guess).</p>

<p>This is a useful thread. However, Sarah Lawrence College is not a safety for anyone. People have been accepted at Harvard and rejected there. I don't know their criteria, but their process is very unique to them. It is obviously not SAT based; won't even log them in!</p>

<p>I agree with mythmom and that applies to many schools on this list. My D was wait-listed at SLC but accepted at two top-25 U's and one school listed as "super-reach" here, and rejected or wait-listed nowhere else. Don't be mislead by these unique schools' acceptance rate; their applicants are highly self-selected to start. And of course you can't go by SATs either since many of these schools make them optional or (SLC) don't use or report them at all. From my Ds' classmates' experience, I can tell you SLC, Bard, Reed, and Bates proved at least as selective—if not more—as Vassar, Brandeis, Carleton, or Barnard. All proved much more difficult than Kenyon, for instance, which has in our area lately become a match/low-reach for many kids with a less than outstanding HS resume.</p>

<p>I'm bumping this thread in case there are any Wes lovers out there still finalizing their list (or maybe looking to add anotehr school or two because of the increase in ED apps to Wes).</p>

<p>Good luck everyone!</p>

<p>thanks so much for this thread! i'm actually applying ED to oberlin, but i'm finding, and have found, this list very helpful.</p>

<p>wow, every one of the schools I'm applying to is on that list. I wish I had found this a year ago, it would of saved me a lot of time.</p>

<p>If anything, I'd probably move Wesleyan up a notch from where I put it in 2007. Two thousand-eight was obviously a banner year for Wes alum on the national scene:</p>

<p>Yale, Brown, Columbia and Harvard
[small drop]
Swarthmore, Dartmouth, Wesleyan, Chicago and Rice
[small drop]
Carleton, Williams, Amherst, Pomona, Tufts, Smith, Vassar, and Wellesley<br>
[small drop]
Oberlin, Colgate, Middlebury, Bowdoin, Reed, Bates, Haverford, Brandeis and NYU
[bigger drop]
Skidmore, Sarah Lawrence, Bard, Pitzer and Conn College
[small drop]
Eugene Lang, Evergreen State, Clark, New College</p>

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Selectivity </p>

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<p>Granted, this is entirely subjective, based not just on stats but also on things like the most interesting blogs, most interesting alumni and general campus culture:
Yale. Brown, and Columbia
[small drop]
Swarthmore, Amherst, Pomona, Dartmouth, and Rice
[small drop]
Wesleyan, Chicago, Carleton, Williams, and Tufts
[small drop]
Smith, Vassar, Wellesley, Oberlin, Colgate, Middlebury, Bowdoin, Reed, Bates, Haverford, and Brandeis
[bigger drop]
Skidmore, Sarah Lawrence, Bard, and Pitzer
[small drop]
Eugene Lang, Evergreen State, Clark, New College

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<p>I'm not quite following you here. What exactly are you attempting to rank?</p>

<p>the least preppy (without sacrificing intelligence), most interesting, most curious, most grown-up student bodies.</p>