<p>GGC you are out of line, not to mention that statistically WM is harder to get into overall, so before you start a positional tirade, i suggest you make sure your facts are right.</p>
<p>i will be at one of: unc (instater)..(legacy at uva--deferred), wake, bucknell, or william and mary...prolly unc though..maybe transfer</p>
<p>efg88 - I'm assuming you're the one who IMed me... as I was writing back my aim quit, so I lost your screen name. Please feel free to IM me again, and I will respond if I'm there, or when I get the message.</p>
<p>GGGUnit - gotcha, I was trying to figure out what school you were at to have that many applicants, considering Robinson has like 8million students =P (still seems like a very large group, which you say it is).</p>
<p>SoccerGrl010... it does seem like most people from TJ get into UVA, though IMO it should be expected. (For the record for the both of you, I went to South Lakes)</p>
<p>Samedi - I'm not going to post all about W&M on this thread... feel free to IM me if you want (same name as on here). I will say that there's THREE delis though... =P</p>
<p>In my view, the numbers make W&M the "harder" school, which I think is true, except if you live in Northern VA, where I think it's harder to get into UVA. <em>not scientific, just from my experience</em></p>
<p>Haha Bjcdb sorry to offend you I was just speaking based upon what I have seen from my instate public school. I am well aware that their SAT ranges and average GPAs are basically the same.</p>
<p>Yeah soccerguy. The SATs of most TJ kids are way over the averages I've seen published. GPAs of some kids who get in are lower than average (there seems to be ~3.6 cut off), but I think UVA is more forgiving since every course in the school is considered an honors course (plus the APs and post APs offered).</p>
<p>I also believe W&M is harder to get into.</p>
<p>If i get rejected from UVA then I'm going to either University of Illinois at urbana (accepted), Louisiana State university (accepted--honors), or University of Richmond if i get into there (pending).</p>
<p>The difference in difficulty of admission between UVA and W&M is trivial at best. To argue about it is pointless. They're both schools with very strong academics and moderately competitive admissions. They each appeal to different kinds of people. You can do well coming out of either. From my graduating class, there were three people who didn't get into UVA who got into W&M. There were no cases of the opposite happening. Does that mean anything? No, not really. I'm sure it's different at every HS in VA.</p>
<p>well put cavalier... 2 good schools with quite different campus feel.</p>
<p>when i went to Harvard i met a girl that told me her dream school was UVA but she got rejected and she got into Harvard. It may have been some sort of fluke but it happened nonetheless. And if UVA was her dream school, she wouldn't have slacked on the application</p>
<p>Oh...and to add...i know several people who were rejected from W&M and got into UVA.</p>
<p>I keep hearing about Tuft gaming the system, but I don't think Duke does it</p>
<p>Harder to get into UVA, but harder to STAY in William and Mary</p>
<p>how so? ....</p>
<p>UVa has higher retention rates and cohort graduation rates than does William and Mary. See the Common Data Sets available for each institution on their websites (Office of Institutional Research) for the details. William and Mary has a deserved reputation as being very high stress, and that is one of the main reasons they have adopted the whole marketing angle of "A Life in Balance".</p>
<p>It's not harder to get into UVA than it is to get into W&M, and it's not hard to stay in either.</p>
<p>people who get into UVA and W&M are smart enough to stay there, bottom line (with the possible exception of a FEW of the UVA athletes). The people who don't graduate don't graduate because they do stupid things like decide not to go to class or do any work. I will agree that W&M deserves the reputation it has in the "hard school" regard, but the calibur of students here can handle it.</p>
<p>People don't graduate from Harvard, and it's not because they aren't capable of doing the work, it's because they made poor decisions. The same is true for W&M and UVA.</p>
<p>The majority of people who don't graduate from schools like UVA or W&M probably transfer out, anyway. I haven't even heard of anyone failing out of UVA.</p>
<p>w&m sux0r</p>
<p>your insight is astounding</p>
<p>Staying in school is rarely a matter of intelligence; it's discipline.</p>
<p>Some of the UVa athletes are more poorly prepared than the typical student, but they tend to be MORE disciplined; try keeping up with coursework while playing on the football and basketball team with high school prep that is a chunk below that of the average suburban UVa student. It's easy to dis them, but it's hard to be them.</p>