<p>one of my friends put herself as hispanic on a few forms because of some distant great-grandfather-type relative. with her german last name, i don't think her plan will work. she's only applying to state schools which she's pretty much guaranteed to get in, though.</p>
<p>ucchris what are you saying is that you support subtle racism. I myself am an Alaskan Native and find what you said extremely offensive. It is obvious that you have no connections with your Native American side if you even have any. It is people like you that continue to perpetuate negative stereotypes about Native Americans and help make them seem dead when in reality they are thriving.</p>
<p>"The pequots also have a very interesting history. They were a tribe with only one person living on their reservation in the '70's. You can not blame them... they were one of the first to have contact with europeans. I suggest you read up on their history if you want to bash them"</p>
<p>I do plan on reviewing their history in greater detail, so possibly I can bash them in the future</p>
<p>"It is obvious that you have no connections with your Native American side if you even have any. It is people like you that continue to perpetuate negative stereotypes about Native Americans and help make them seem dead when in reality they are thriving."</p>
<p>Josh AK, dont you dare question my american indian herritage you ignorant oversensitive prick. if you didnt read the post let me refresh your memory. i didnt make the original post. i have said nothing about american indians. why would i say anything negative about part of my ethnic herritage. You ignorant politically correct moron. i am in no way supporting suble racism. you obviously have a very broad scope in what you consider racism. how on earth do i perpetuate negative stereotypes about my own people. because i do not let a subtle, non hurtfull comment that was clearly meant as a joke, not to offend anyone, **** me off? i didnt even make the comment you idiot. i simply defended the individual who made the comment by stating how sad it is when even something as small as what he said creates a firestorm by a few people who wish to make a big deal out of a comment that was not meant to be offensive. had the poster stated something in order to offend someone racially, i would have bashed him myself. however that was not the case, and politically correct morons such as yourself jumped on the quote to bash him. sorry, i dont jump at the chance to create attention or controversy over someones comment that was clearly not meant to offend. go through your life getting worked up over every little comment someone makes, we will see how sucessful you are in life. im all for fighting racism, but by creating a mountain out of a mole hill, you just look like a politically correct idiot. fight the fights that need to be fought and leave the poster alone. while i wouldnt have personally stated what the poster said, you are an idiot to jump all over him, and even jump all over me for defending him, and even bash on my herritage because i didnt get offended by a simple little comment. yet because you get offended by it, therefore you must respect your herritage more than me? you stupid elitist. grow up. go back to practicing your political correctness somewhere else, dont bother those of us interested in helping give advice or recieving advice for college admissions.</p>
<p>Why is it ok to imply that all Native Americans speak in broken English - even as a joke? Do you really believe that this does not help to perpetuate the "white man's" belief (from not so long ago) that Native Americans are uneducated savages and less than human even if at an unconscious level?
Not to mention the fact that this was said in the context of suggesting an argument against Affirmative Action, and implying that ALL Native Americans and other URMs are unqualified and undeserving to be accepted at most colleges. </p>
<p>This may not seem offensive to you but racism comes in many forms, both obvious/easily identifed and subtle/psychological/less easily identified, and it must be dealt with at ALL levels in order to ever eradicate it (or if we are ever to reach a point where we no longer need "discriminatory" practices such as Affirmative Action to try to correct past injustices). This is what people who just blow off "political correctness" or affirmative action have never and still do not yet understand. Yes, AA is not a perfect system and its application can and should be improved but sadly we do not yet live in a perfect world free of racism where we can completely do away with it either. </p>
<p>Perhaps your generation will be able to solve all the racial issues of the world. Or perhaps not...</p>
<p>collegekid21:</p>
<p>UCB/UCLA: Reach
UCSD: Slight Reach</p>
<p>I think a couple of you guys missed the part where he said he was kidding about being Native American.</p>
<p>ucchris i suggest that you read the statement realeased by the APA on this matter.</p>
<p>and domestican, it is more about the comments that this thread started.</p>
<p>Oh, I realize the thread's subject took a turn, but I was referring to posters like sexyrayman and dreamer8314.</p>
<p>In any case, I guess I was a little late for the response. Move along, nothing to see here.</p>
<p>um you guys think racism can be eradicated if you get offended whenever someone notices a difference in our histories, cultures, or appearances? why must he f orget that 'how' was used? why must we all ignore it? if noone was worked up over comments like that, THEN racism might go away</p>
<p>I never understood how people claim it's "unfair" how Asian students would end up filling 1/4th of the applicant spots. Hey, maybe if everyone else worked as hard as a stereotypical Asian student they'd have just as likely chances..</p>
<p>Anyways. I'd say Cornell is reach, the rest are slight-reaches, get your SATs higher and that'd help.</p>
<p>^^^ I agree, race should not matter. Im not even Asian. But if Asians make up the top 80% of the applicant pool, then they should make up 80% of the accepted applicants. Anything else is simply racism. Or as a prior poster likes to state, subtle racism. We focus so much on saying individuals deserve a spot because of their race and such, we fail to ask the question should a qualified candidate who be denied a spot because of his race in favor of a lesser qualified student of a different race. if this is not racism i do not know what is. slavery was an ugly time in american history and clearly its effects are still being felt today. however, using one form of racism to correct histories faults and their continueing effects is not the answer. The answer would be more along the lines of fixing the inner city and poor areas educational systems. Affirmative action simply gives those inner city schools an excuse to perform poorly.</p>
<p>But if Asians make up the top 80% of the applicant pool, then they should make up 80% of the accepted applicants.</p>
<p>Ohh right. Asians should be represented in top schools 20x their population percentage just because they apply in droves. Anything else is racism? Please.</p>
<p>that's not what he's saying....
ucchris is saying that if colleges made admissions decisions race-blind...and if 80% of them were asian, then there should be no reason why all 80% shouldn't get in...i don't really think we need a word of such extreme connotation as racism, but if you come down to the foundation of it all, there is a percentage of admissions worthy asians that are rejected due to race. Is it the college's fault? No...they want a culturally and ethnically diverse student body. Is it bad luck? Absolutely.</p>
<p>Well yes it is the colleges fault. Why do they want a culturally and ethnically diverse student body? It's actually to keep Asians from dominating it. Think about it. Before let's say, 1950 even, what's the percent of whites in colleges? More like 99%, move onto Vietnam War era about, whites still dominate to a less extent. It's only been in the 1990s and post in which colleges start to pick on race more. And who gets hurt the most? Asians. But the problem is, do Asian Americans DO qualify. If all the ivies suddenly turned into, being extreme here, 60% Asian, what do you think the GENERAL PUBLIC would do? Of course protest and call it unfair and biased towards Asians. But the thing is that Asians, on the GENERAL trend, DO work harder and do DESERVE the spot.</p>
<p>So this is American's form of "Democracy" and "equal representation", oh yeah, and "uniqueness". It's really not about that, from what I believe at least, it's just a way of keeping the general people aligned (well apparently since Asians are the non-protesting race). You know why they don't argue about what happens if too many AfricanAms or Hispanics get in? Simply because (however bad this may sound), it will never get to the point of dominating a school (by school I refer to ivies here), where as in an extreme case, Asians CAN get to that level.</p>
<p>So why is it that Asians in schools are almost on the verge of killing each other with the competition and to turn out that they got rejected for THEIR hard work just because a college wants to be "ethnically diverse"? I call that racism. It simply put, is not fair that Asian students are forced to work even HARDER to be even MORE unique to get looked at by colleges while probably without working that hard they would've been perfectly qualified in the first place.</p>
<p>*And yeah, I have a feeling I'm going to get flamed for this, but this was only my opinion and or speculation if you may call it. So.. sorry!</p>
<p>haha, like several million years ago, we were all black.</p>
<p>SOLUTION: MISCEGENATION</p>
<p>if you are lighter-skinned, marry a darky.
if you are swarthy, marry a cracker.</p>
<p>in several centuries or millenia, everyone will be the same color!!!</p>
<p>Lollerpants...i agree with you...to an extent. Unfortunately, here, colleges are businesses first, vehicles of education second....and if Asians were to dominate the college scene, it would very much be like marketing to an ultraspecific group...which is what any business wants to avoid.</p>
<p>However that shouldn't matter if they're still getting the money. The point I was trying to make is just that, why does it matter if you're targeting a specific group if the amount of money you're receiving is the same? The only reason that would become an issue is because someone's bound to sue them, but this goes back to my previous point about how they shouldn't even have that right.</p>
<p>What lollerpants says is definitely true. I, being Asian, feel that I am at a disadvantage to other ethnic groups. I have to work twice as hard to get into a competitive college while other people can get in much more easily. People are complaining that asians fill up the schools, but if you look at the stats, the asians are dominating. True, colleges want to give opportunities to people, but for asians that's such a disadvantage. Just filling in Asian on your college application decreases your chances by like 50%. I think that schools should accept based on merit, not what race you are. If a non-asian person is qualified, accept him/her. Asians won't say a word. But when I see people with 2000 SAT scores with 20-30 rank getting into MIT/Wharton/Harvard, and asians with 2400 and top 10 rank getting rejected to such schools, I get ****ed.</p>