<p>if chicago's placement because of gpa deflation at top grad/med/law schools is poor, where do most of these very intelligent, driven chicago students end up after undergrad.</p>
<p>"if chicago's placement because of gpa deflation at top grad/med/law schools is poor,"</p>
<p>This isn't true, from everything I understand. if you read the discussion about this in the "intellectual vs academic" thread, you'll see extended posts on teh matter. And, I know that Chicago has one of the highest rates of students going onto higher education in the country, so I think many of them DO go to top graduate programs.</p>
<p>That is a very big if. Run a search of past posts for previous discussions on this topic--there have been many. </p>
<p>Chicago students get into law school, med school, and grad schools after graduation. They do lots of other things, too. Here are some specifics: <a href="https://caps.uchicago.edu/employers/outcomes.html%5B/url%5D">https://caps.uchicago.edu/employers/outcomes.html</a>.</p>
<p>"if chicago's placement because of gpa deflation at top grad/med/law schools is poor"</p>
<p>This is not true. Chicago's placement for med school is poor. However, Chicago's placement for grad/law school/workforce is good/v.good.</p>
<p>Do MBA programs look at gpa very much? And shouldn't these admissions committees see that so and so made the dean's list with a lower gpa and recognize that importance?</p>
<p>Chicago has the 2nd highest rate of sending kids to graduate schools (Johns Hopkins is first). I think you'd be fine.</p>
<p>Where'd you find that info?</p>
<p>I do not doubt you, just curious to see the list.</p>
<p>well like I said...I'm willing to work tha extra time to get that three point five but if I know that it means something extra to med schools and that chicagos poor placemet reputation will not hurt me individually</p>
<p>Somedumbnoob is mistaken.</p>
<p>The National Science Foundation Survey of Earned Doctorates (SED). HEDS Weighted Baccalaureate Origins Study.</p>
<p>Top 20 Institutions: Ph.D. Productivity
Relative to Institutional Size, 1995-2004</p>
<ol>
<li>Caltech</li>
<li>Harvey Mudd College</li>
<li>Swarthmore College </li>
<li>Reed College</li>
<li>MIT</li>
<li>Carleton College</li>
<li>Oberlin College </li>
<li>Bryn Mawr College</li>
<li>University of Chicago</li>
<li>Grinnell College</li>
<li>Yale University</li>
<li>Princeton University</li>
<li>Haverford College</li>
<li>Pomona College</li>
<li>Rice University</li>
<li>Amherst College</li>
<li>Harvard University</li>
<li>St John's College</li>
<li>Williams College</li>
<li>Cleveland Institute of Music</li>
</ol>
<p>many have said that with a lot of hard work and a good portion of natural intelligence the 3.7 or 3.8 is attainable...what does 'hard work' mean relative to uchicago standards?</p>
<p>I would say 5-8 hours of schoolwork a day would land you in that category? It's really hard to tell.</p>
<p>I have a friend who is a grade-conscious pre-med and not particularly amazing intelligence-wise (relative to other Chicago students). She was able to get an A in gen chem, in exchange for working through most of the weekend and turning away from Grey's Anatomy in order to get work done. That's one person in one class in one quarter in one particular situation, but I think the general idea that you'll probably have to sacrifice a good deal of knockaround time to devote to studying still stands.</p>
<p>I have a lot of free time to explore the city on weekends, write fiction, watch TV, go to movies, hang out with my housemates, play sports, etc. That time is extremely important to me, and I'm only willing to give so much of that free time up to devote to schoolwork.</p>
<p>wbwa, the NSF study details students who go on to earn a PHD. This list does not consider students who go to Medical school[ MD's],or Business school[ MBA], or Law school[JD].</p>
<p>"Somedumbnoob is mistaken.</p>
<p>The National Science Foundation Survey of Earned Doctorates (SED). HEDS Weighted Baccalaureate Origins Study."</p>
<p>Well I'm not sure what piece of propaganda Chicago sent me mentioned the #2 ranking. But I did find that the "Life of the Mind" book said 85% of Chicago undergrads go on to postgraduate study. Even if if it's not #2, I would imagine that 85% is quite competitive among elite colleges.</p>
<p>I agree with Unalove. I really value my free time. I'm doing well grade-wise, but I could certainly have a higher GPA if I spent more time studying and less time idly talking with friends, hanging out at my house table, watching my favorite TV shows, and going out. I'm not all that interested in doing something after graduation that requires that 3.9, though. You have to look at your own priorities. If your personal priority is getting into medical school, or getting into a certain level of med school, then you're going to have to make sacrifices. I sacrifice some GPA points every time I go out with my friends, but that's time I really value. As I said, though, I'm not all that concerned with my GPA because right now it's good enough for anything I see myself wanting to do. </p>
<p>People compile statistics in different ways. One may be graduate school immediately after graduation, or within 1 year, or 5 years, while another number may be the percentage of graduates who ever attend graduate school. Then there's the definition of postgraduate study: What's included? Is it limited to degrees? Which degrees? You have to think about the sample: Which graduation years--or which year (singular)--are they talking about? If they're using a large number of years as the possible gap between college and postgraduate study, the alums surveyed must be older. Well, I wouldn't be surprised if in the past more students went on to grad school than they do currently, when the U of C has more pre-professional students in business and similar fields. At the most basic level, you also have to make sure the rankings are by percentage of the graduating class or some other body of people instead of by raw numbers, in which case larger schools get a leg up. So, you can get lots of different numbers and ranking out of the same information.</p>
<p>Can someone answer beefs question: where do most of these very intelligent, driven chicago students end up after undergrad?</p>
<p>What do the current Chicago students on this board have (vaguely) planned for their futures?</p>
<p>blindkite, check post #3 from this thread. that data gives a decent showing of where the undergrads head off too.</p>
<p>I'm wondering more about what current students think they'll be doing. I guess I'm looking more for examples.</p>
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Can someone answer beefs question: where do most of these very intelligent, driven chicago students end up after undergrad?
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They do all sorts of things. They do whatever they want to do. In general, they do the same types of things graduates of Harvard, Dartmouth, and the University of Michigan do. You can't really generalize what "most" of them do, though.</p>
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What do the current Chicago students on this board have (vaguely) planned for their futures?
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I don't really have any career plans for the future. I think I'd be a good teacher, and I'd love to teach at the kind of school I went to. I know I'd be a good lawyer, but the idea of law school strikes me as insanely dull, and there are tons of lawyers in the world already. I'd be interested in medicine, but my attraction to it is learning to be a doctor as opposed to actually being one. I'm turned off by the obsessive students chasing after i-banking and consulting, though the atmosphere of sales and trading probably fits my personality. A guy I've always looked up to as a sort of mentor hit it very big in advertising--like, one of the top guys in the world--and I like the creativity involved. I like non-profits in general; I like them even more if their cause is one I support. When I was in high school I seriously considered being a musician, but I ultimately decided to go to the U of C instead of a music conservatory, so that one's out the window. Some people have pushed me toward journalism, but I can't stand the fact that journalists can never really get the story right. I know that I'm not going to be an engineer, an architect, a physicist, in the military, or in a religious order, but overall I'd say I'm open to whatever comes. My other plans for the future include, hopefully, having good friends, maybe getting married, raising good kids, keeping in touch with my siblings, traveling, maybe having a house in the place I grew up in, having a job I enjoy, being comfortable financially, and all of those other things people tend to want.</p>
<p>Out of my closest Chicago friends, four are pre-law, one is pre-med, one is looking to be a professor, and one I'm not sure about. Don't read too much into this, though. No one's circle of friends are going to serve as a good sample of the general U of C population.</p>
<p>why is chicago's med school placement bad?
my interviewer was going to OSU for med school, ... so yeah maybe it's true. but that's just one person</p>
<p>To be honest, though, unless you're going to be King Doctor Almighty, any med school is a good med school.</p>
<p>I think there's a joke that's something along those lines...</p>
<p>--What do you call the student who graduates last in his class at med school?
-- "Doctor."</p>
<p>As for me, personally, I eventually want to be a teacher, but I want to experience grad school as well as the corporate/professional world. I'll probably go immediately from undergrad into grad school, and then look for a job in marketing/public relations. I definitely want to be in a career that challenges me and fulfills me, and I definitely do NOT want to be in a so-called "fast-paced" atmosphere. I can't stand New York City work culture, which is 12-hour days and lots of glitz.</p>
<p>I've also considered being a counselor, social worker, or psychologist, but I think that those jobs are challenging in a way that I don't neccessarily like to be challenged (i.e. too people-oriented, not reading/writing oriented).</p>
<p>Like corranged, though, I'm thinking both professionally and personally. College has helped teach me the value of relationships with others and has helped me identify what's important to me. What do I want out of life, and how am I going to attain that? Whom will I spend the rest of my life with? How will I ensure my future happiness?</p>
<p>And it's not like all of these questions need to be answered immediately, and the answers are quite likely to change. If you're a high school senior, I only have two years on you, so I'm only that much closer to answering some of these questions for myself.</p>