<p>@Zalrons</p>
<p>I might just make the thread, probably tomorrow. Knowing how often I talk about UCLA on this board, it’s the logical thing to do. :P</p>
<p>And try not to get permabanned on this account too, lol. I want to know whether or not you get in at UCLA!</p>
<p>@Zalrons
Snorlazzzz. You’re over Cal now? [-( lol. </p>
<p>I@ Cayton, </p>
<p>I found calculus incredibly useful in understanding logic and how I processed the world. Especially the more advanced concepts such as different types of infinities, irrational numbers, which stress our primitive ape-brain’s ability to understand. Plus being able to determine the force on an object, stuff that shows how engineers or other people in society function. As i said, your POV of saying calculus is useless is no different from someone saying ethics is useless; both are equally wrong. </p>
<p>From my experience CC is a joke. I get 2-3 bad teachers for every 1 good teacher I get. Of course I get As in all the classes but I barely learn anything from the bad teachers. (example, my gender teacher, my ethics teacher, my business teacher, my accounting teacher) The only reason my GPA is around yours is because I started CC a few years ago without proper motivation; as of the last year I have been getting nothing but As.</p>
<p>@ocnative</p>
<p>Well, you know what they say, “Once you go to UCLA, you never go back.” Just kidding I made that up. ;)</p>
<p>But there’s something about UCLA that makes people want to go there after visiting. The campus is pretty beautiful and there’s so much to do.</p>
<p>UCLA > Berkeley. Just sayin’. :P</p>
<p>@Bomerr</p>
<p>Fair enough, but given that statistics is generally far more useful to people such as myself, I can’t really say I’m convinced that most people would benefit from calc as much as or more than stats or comparable math classes.</p>
<p>And it is <em>completely</em> different from saying ethics or comparable classes are useless. Knowledge gained from those kinds of classes is, as I’ve said before, useful in everyday life. Calculus for non-stem/non-business majors is not. And if you think calculus imparts upon you enhanced skills in logic and critical thinking(Definitely necessary in everyday life), then I must say that the symbolic logic class that I took for my major(philosophy) almost certainly taught me more about the nature of logic, arguments, and correct/incorrect lines of thinking than your calculus did for you.</p>
<p>@cayton, cool! And don’t worry I’ll be here regardless! Are you living in the dorms next year if you go to UCLA? </p>
<p>@oc, what’s up?! I’ve gone to the dark side… 
Not ruling out cal tho! </p>
<p>@Cayton, I just wanted to congratulate you on your regents scholarship at UCI! I’m very happy for you, I know you can totally get into UCLA… YOU CAN DO IT!! 
Best of luck!</p>
<p>@ Cayton Do you see the irony of this paragraph? </p>
<p>"And it is <em>completely</em> different from saying ethics or comparable classes are useless. Knowledge gained from those kinds of classes is, as I’ve said before, useful in everyday life. Calculus for non-stem/non-business majors is not. </p>
<p>And if you think calculus imparts upon you enhanced skills in logic and critical thinking(Definitely necessary in everyday life), then I must say that the symbolic logic class that I took for my major(philosophy) almost certainly taught me more about the nature of logic, arguments, and correct/incorrect lines of thinking than your calculus did for you."</p>
<p>Says he learned “the nature of logic, arguments, and correct/incorrect lines”
Treats an opinion as a fact. (ethics more useful than calc in everyday life)
Philosophy Major O_o</p>
<p>@bomerr</p>
<p>When did I ever say that it’s a fact that ethics is more useful than calc? I’ve only been trying to make a persuasive argument that ethics and comparable classes is more useful than calc for most people. It’s supposed to be assumed that the person making an argument is expressing his/her opinion based on evidence they feel is sufficient to lend their argument enough credibility to be accepted unless they outright state it’s a fact or something.</p>
<p>If you think you can outdo a philosophy major in logic, think again. </p>
<p>@ucastell</p>
<p>Thanks a lot, man! I appreciate it! I hope we both get in and I hope you get into Berkeley. You deserve it! We only have to wait another month to know if we’ll be accepted or not, lol.</p>
<p>@Zalrons</p>
<p>I plan to dorm. I’m pretty introverted, but I think it’d be a good idea to get out of my comfort zone if/when I transfer. How about you?</p>
<p>I wonder how many people with 4.0s get rejected every year. </p>
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<p><a href=“https://www.admissions.ucla.edu/prospect/adm_tr/Tr_Prof13.htm”>https://www.admissions.ucla.edu/prospect/adm_tr/Tr_Prof13.htm</a></p>
<p>@cayton, no problem :). You have plenty of options now, that’s always good to know! And I know I can’t wait to finally receive decisions from UCB and UCLA! even if it’s a rejection lol </p>
<p>@ucastell</p>
<p>Yeah, that’s great…</p>
<p>And I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: UC Berkeley and UCLA would be crazy to reject a STEM major who has gotten published in a scientific journal!</p>
<p>I know you want to go to medical school, but have you also considered getting a master’s or a doctorate degree?</p>
<p>Also, I’ve posted the official UCLA fall 2014 transfer thread if you haven’t noticed. We have a month to go until our admissions decisions are released!</p>
<p>@ucastell, thank you that’s very nice of you. You’re definitely one of the coolest users here, I haven’t noticed the new UCLA transfer threat but thank you for letting me know! :)</p>
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<p>More high school graduates a few years ago => more CC students applying to transfer to UCs (and CSUs). Since UC (and CSU) capacity has not grown as quickly as the number of students coming through the high schools and CCs, admission standards have had to get higher to avoid overflowing most of the campuses (only a few CSUs are currently non-impacted so that they can admit all applicants who meet minimum CSU eligibility criteria).</p>
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<p>Calculus as a transfer admission requirement will not happen unless it is made a graduation requirement for students in all majors. Even Harvard does not require calculus as a graduation requirement for students in all majors.</p>
<p>As a practical matter, statistics is probably more generally useful for students whose majors do not require calculus, although calculus can enable more in-depth study of statistics if the student chooses to do that.</p>
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<p>Considering that the most selective UCs have many students in calculus 1 courses (and even some in precalculus courses), that means that there are frosh entry students who come in without calculus 1 equivalent knowledge but need to take calculus 1 for their majors.</p>
<p>@UCBalumnus</p>
<p>UCLA has 28k students, it offers PreCalc (the only remedial math class per their graduation requirement) once in the Fall and with only 630 slots. Furthermore I would wager a good portion of those students passed pre-calc (or possibly even calc) in high school but failed the math placement test for calc. (I’ve seen it happen at CC). </p>
<p>UCLA’s graduation requirement for Freshman’s is
"Quantitative Reasoning Requirement In the College of Letters and Science, students must demonstrate basic skills in quantitative reasoning. All courses taken to satisfy the quantitative reasoning requirement must be completed with a grade of Passed or C or better. The quantitative reasoning requirement can be satisfied by achieving an SAT I mathematics score of 600 or better, an SAT II Subject Test in Mathematics score of 550 or better, or by completing one of the following courses: Anthropology M80, Biostatistics 100A, 100B, Geography M40, Mathematics 2 (or any higher numbered course except 38A, 38B, and 38C), Philosophy 31, Political Science 6, 6R, Program in Computing 10A, 10B, 10C, Sociology M18, Statistics 10, 10A, 10H, 11, M12, 13, 14.
" </p>
<p>So basically IF you take a math class, it has to be a calculus based math class (since math 1 is pre-calc) else you can bypass calc for graduation by taking class from other areas or through SAT score. </p>
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<p>For fall 2013, UCLA offered the following:</p>
<p>Math 1 - precalculus - 580 students
Math 3A - calculus for life sciences - 655 students
Math 31A - differential and integral calculus - 777 students</p>
<p>This means 2012 students in calculus 1 or precalculus, meaning that they did not take calculus in high school, or did not learn enough calculus in high school to be able to skip calculus 1 (need a 5 on AB or 4 on BC at UCLA). This is about a third of the frosh enrollment. Considering that many entering frosh do not need to take calculus for their intended majors, that means that an even greater fraction of calculus-needed-for-their-major students start in calculus 1 or precalculus.</p>
<p>@ucbalumnus</p>
<p>Ah, OK. Thanks for the clarification.</p>