No surprise that Alabama is the first school they talk about, but interesting that Maryland (which may refer to the whole MD state system, as they refer to it as “University of Maryland- University College” and Tennessee State top their list of the increased percentage of OOS vs IS students. https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/investigations/2019/08/19/college-recruiting-enrollment-tuition-in-state/1628566001/
UMD-University College is what we use for the commuter/online school, at least as far as I know. https://www.umuc.edu/
Here’s an easy-to-read table https://www.usatoday.com/pages/interactives/colleges-out-of-state-enrollment-database/ by state
If I were paying taxes in Alabama I would not be happy that only 32% of UA students are from the state.
According to an article from the Burlington Free Press from 2015, UVM (the University of Vermont) has the most out of state students for public universities in the US. The class that was entering in September of 2015 was about 20% in-state. Massachusetts had 11 fewer students than Vermont in UVMs 2015 freshman class.
UVM is relatively expensive for out of state students. They do have decent merit scholarships for academically strong out of state students, and their NPC does ask about academic information in order to predict whether you will get a merit scholarship. I think that it is a very good university. Whether it is worth the difference in price for a student from Massachusetts compared to U.Mass Amherst is of course another question.
I did not find the word “Vermont” in the article published in the original post.
Some in-state frosh percentages at flagships:
23 University of Vermont
32 University of Alabama
38 University of Delaware
45 University of Mississippi
45 West Virginia University
47 University of Oregon
48 University of South Carolina - Columbia
52 University of Michigan - Ann Arbor
53 University of Wyoming
55 Pennsylvania State University - Main
55 Purdue University
56 University of Wisconsin - Madison
57 University of Oklahoma - Norman
58 University of Iowa
61 University of South Dakota
62 University of Minnesota - Twin Cities
63 University of Hawaii - Manoa
63 University of Utah
66 University of Virginia
69 Ohio State University - Main
69 University of California - Berkeley
69 University of Maryland - College Park
73 University of Massachusetts - Amherst
78 Stony Brook University
82 Rutgers University - New Brunswick
84 University of Florida
84 University of North Carolina - Chapel Hill
85 University of New Mexico
87 University of Georgia
88 University of Texas - Austin
Some non-flagships with low in-state percentages:
34 Delaware State University
38 University of Maryland - University College
40 Jackson State University
44 Coastal Carolina University
45 Fort Lewis College
51 South Dakota State University
52 Alabama A&M University
53 Colorado School of Mines
57 Miami University - Oxford
57 University of Minnesota - Crookston
Alabama’s tax income to GDP ratio is pretty low, around 7.5% ( I think California is close to 14% and national average around 10%, by comparison). So the more pertinent issue there I’d think is whether they are actually subsidizing OOS (via UA’s apparently generous funding policy for OOS), or whether the OOS students are helping fund the locals that tax can’t; and /or whether instate students are disadvantaged in the admissions process by OOS students.
No, University College campus was for many years the European campus(es), and had a lot of military, military spouses and dependents as students. There were several physical campuses in Europe. Over the years, it has developed as an online campus. I’m not sure if they still have physical campuses, but I think so.
There used to be 5 University of Maryland campuses, but in the late '80s the state college system and the U of Maryland system combined. I think most campuses retained their original names but a few changed (Towson State is now Towson University)
Percentage wise, but not number wise. UVM only has about 10k students, so ~8000 OOS students. Colorado, Michigan, Wisconsin are all going to have more than 8000 OOS students.
https://www.usgovernmentrevenue.com/state_tax_rank says that Alabama state revenue is 10.16% of GDP, while California’s is 11.47% and that of “all states combined” is 9.90%. Highest is Hawaii at 15.94%, while lowest is Texas at 6.99%.
Depends on if the OOS students are largely the big scholarship students, or those attending with small or no scholarships.
Maybe I think too much about cost, but I can’t see paying a premium to go Alabama compared to my own in-state flagship. I am sure there are a handful that do because of a connection to Alabama but it would seem the majority of OOS come for the merit.
If Alabama didn’t offer such generous merit their enrollment probably would be 10-20% less. At that point you start the economies of scale argument. Plus I am sure there is some retention for the state with all the OOS kid.
Alabama’s middle 50% ACT scores are 23-32. Historical scholarships were about 2/3 tuition (reduces price to about in-state price) at 30 and full tuition at 32 (note that this coming year, 32 gets an amount that is about $4k less than full tuition ( https://scholarships.ua.edu/freshman/out-of-state/ ), so the forum conventional wisdom of “Alabama” being the default answer for “need full tuition scholarship” is no longer the case).
Given that about two thirds of Alabama students are out-of-state students, it is unlikely that a majority of them are on full tuition scholarship, or even scholarship that reduces the cost to in-state levels.
@ucbalumnus I took the Alabama figure from page 6 (as numbered, 11 on the pdf) from this report, it has it at 7.6%.
https://www.bradley.com/-/media/files/insights/publications/2019/01/howalabamataxescompare2018.pdf?la=en#11
The unusual features listed on page 2 (sales tax applies to food for home consumption but not most services, income tax threshold is low, federal income tax is deductible for state income tax) suggest that Alabama prefers to tax the poor more and the rich less, relative to other states.
There is so much more than the numbers listed. So many variables not addressed with a simple chart.
Wisconsin and Minnesota have tuition reciprocity. I would need to see numbers for OOS students not from either state at the other school. I know that at son’s HS there were two camps among the top students. Those who favored UW and those who favored U of M. The lower numbers of instate students at both of these schools reflects the reciprocity. Both schools are within driving distance for the states’ populations as well.
Location and state size is another factor. Especially for small NE US states it can be easy to go OOS, especially if instate options fill up et al. I see some schools close to a state border that, if costs are similar, would be close enough to home to be options.
I noted the word “Indian” in one school- it likely gets many native Americans from OOS because of the specialized nature of the school.
Then there are the schools trying to boost their reputation by offering financial incentives to top OOS students. The instate students benefit from the peer group and the school gets more money. I can see where populous states like CA and Texas have so many students they can’t deny that their percentages of instate students is high.
According to data published in the Chronicle of Higher Education, 30% of the OOS freshmen at UW-Madison in 2015 came from Minnesota. Another 24% came from Illinois which doesn’t have tuition reciprocity with Wisconsin, but UW-Madison is a popular alternative to UIUC among Chicago-area students. Madison is only a 3 hour drive from Chicago and a four hour drive from Minneapolis-St. Paul, plus there’s frequent and cheap Megabus service from both cities.
37% of the OOS freshmen at the University of Minnesota-Twin Cities in 2015 came from Wisconsin, with roughly the same number of cross-state enrollments in either direction. Many of the Wisconsinites at UMN are from the western part of the state, much of it closer to the Twin Cities than to Madison. Some of the westernmost areas are in part bedroom communities for the Twin Cities metro, some as little as 30 minutes from the UMN campus.
In my son’s high school graduating class this year, a girl went to Alabama. Her mom is from Alabama, attended Univ. of Alabama and they still have family there. The girl did apply to other schools, but she fell in love with Alabama when she visited. The mom thought her daughter would go elsewhere…but that is an example of a family having a connection to a school and state…
I’ve seen the same thing at University of Nevada-Reno…we have family that has worked at and attended the university and they’ve run into students from small towns in Eastern California that are actually pretty close to Reno. My nephew who attended UNR, had a roommate from Bishop, CA. Univ. of Nevada-Reno is closer to Bishop then any of the UC schools or CSUs. It’s the same with people who live in Susanville, Truckee, and Lake Tahoe…
Bishop is rather isolated to begin with. UNR and CSUB are the “closest” public universities (unless you use an airplane), but both are over three hours drive.
Truckee (north Lake Tahoe) is what many consider a reasonable commute distance to UNR (about 35 minute drive). It is a little under two hours to drive to CSUSac or UCD. South Lake Tahoe is still closer to UNR than CSUSac or UCD, but the difference is not as large as with Truckee.
I know a couple of students form our HS in Ohio who chose Alabama without any merit. They wanted a big southern flagship.
From what I understand, UNR was considered a safety by some kids at D19’s school (Bay Area) and for a couple of others its proximity to Tahoe is extremely attractive. I believe there are a couple who will be attending it this year, but I didn’t see any evidence of UNR doing any “aggressive recruiting”.