International Business and Chinese Enterprise (IBCE) Program Review

Why? I believe that given my IBCE experience and what I learned throughout the process, I may have chosen a different undergraduate experience. So, this review is for transparency and for all those out there seeking to select the best fit for undergrad.

Choosing IBCE… and by default… The University of South Carolina

There were three main factors that led me to choose the International Business and Chinese Enterprise (IBCE) program at The University of South Carolina’s Moore School of Business. 1) #1 International Business Ranking, 2) the promise of internships/practical experience, and 3) a passion for culture, language, and travel. However, as you will read, these criteria that underpinned my decision to attend IBCE were evaluated naively. I hope this provides the insight required for you to make the right decision. In my opinion, the IBCE experience was interesting, but, interesting does not deserve four years of tuition.

  1. [International] Business Ranking (What’s an International Business major?)

Let me start this section by keeping it 100. International Business is not a real/practical/rigorous undergraduate major and is not how multi-national companies hire or promote talent. A company will NEVER ask “Our ideal candidate has completed an International Business curriculum. Have you?” It is a study of how businesses cannot cookie cut products and services and sell them across the globe. International business studies belong in the behavioral sciences department and not in the business school.

Think about it using this over-simplified example. Would a multinational corporation (MNC) hire a 21/22 year old with no practical experience to address cross-cultural product penetration issues? Probably not. Will a MNC hire a 21/22 year old to maintain a spreadsheet? Yes.

(An aside: Even if you secure a Strategy Consulting job out of undergrad, believe me, you still won’t be solving high level issues. You will be getting coffee, cleaning up slides, mining Excel, scheduling team dinners, etc. Don’t have delusions of grandeur about your first work experience out of undergrad.)

In conclusion, don’t make the same mistake I made. The University of South Carolina Moore School of Business’s #1 in International Business ranking should not weigh heavily or even be included in your school/program evaluation criteria. The better metric is the overall business school’s rank which is, as of 2019, #74 out of 131.

  1. Internships and Practical Experience (This section holds the secret to undergraduate business school recruiting and landing a great job out of undergrad)

I was hungry for any experience that I could get. So, I discussed internship opportunities with the head of the program, who assured me that the program would coordinate internship opportunities. This, as you will read later, was not the case and that is unfortunate. Keep reading!

There were only a few companies that recruited from The Moore School of Business when I attended. Most people had to find opportunities through networking. As I recall, there were only a few good-for-SC companies that recruited–GE Capital (Risk), Bank of America (Risk and Treasury), Nestle (Leadership Development Program), Deloitte (Audit), Seimens (Leadership Development Program). As I discuss below, there were only a couple of positions available. Competition was tough and candidates with more internship experience and better networks prevailed.

There were no opportunities that were IBCE exclusive and there were no opportunities in Hong Kong. CUHK does not participate in IBCE career services.

IBCE did try to leverage a Citi Bank alum connection and sent us on a tour of Citi with her. But it was exploratory, as recruiters say, and no position was on the table and certainly no offers were extended. It was honestly quite depressing and the first humbling sign that I was not at UVA, NYU, Ross, Stanford, Harvard, Yale, etc.

Secret to Undergraduate Business Recruiting

You need internships. If your school is a target school, companies will offer internship opportunities. Converting an internship into a full time offer is now the status quo. It is much rarer to receive an outright offer sans internship than in days past.

What is a target school? Companies now hire only/mostly from target schools. It is essential that you understand if and which companies recruit and hire from the school you are considering. The reason target schools emerged and are now the most important campus recruiting vehicle is because corporate recruiters are tasked to be as effective as possible without spending all the company’s cash on recruiting undergrads. Therefore, most companies focus efforts by choosing a list of target schools. This allows them to reduce the amount of time they would otherwise spend sifting through mountains of resumes and focus on recruiting the right candidate for the job from a dependable university.

Companies will carve out ~2-5 internship openings each year for a target school depending on the size and performance of the company and the quality of the school. As you can surmise from the small number of opportunities offered by each company, competition is intense. Therefore, you should give yourself the best shot at a great job by attending a university that gets the most opportunities. Even though there are some parents and families that seem over-zealous about name brand universities and would only have their children attend a top 25 school, they are not wrong. Those schools are, more likely than not, target schools.

  1. Culture, Language, and Travel

I was passionate about learning more about different cultures, languages, and travel. These passions developed through my academic pursuits in middle and high school.

The IBCE Experience…

The overall experience was fairly disjointed and the program was not as managed as it should be. Moving schools every other year is not an effective way to learn and is also disadvantageous for recruiting. You cannot recruit or intern in the US from Hong Kong studying. It is also difficult to develop friendships with your South Carolina peers if you are practically never there. You can end up in an IBCE bubble, which could be toxic.

Expense

The summers were by far the most expensive component of my undergraduate bill. Each summer is $10k+. Though, if you enrolled in the Yale-China Chinese Language Center courses on your own rather than through IBCE, it would cost you only $5,201 in tuition and ~$1,500 in room and board. So, there was about $3k+ missing from the equation for each summer. We inquired about the discrepancy, but were admonished feverishly for asking. It seemed like educational profiteering to me and mine. FYI–Those are 2019 prices and not 2011 prices. I’m sure in 2011, it didn’t cost as much.

Year 1

The first year, I met my cohort and begin Chinese language courses at The University of South Carolina.

Year 2

The second year, I traveled to Hong Kong in the summer for the first time to begin intensive Chinese language classes. I met my CUHK cohort at the tail end of the summer as the British university system is 3 instead of 4 years long. After the academic year ended, I stayed in Hong Kong to complete the second summer of intensive Chinese language study.

Year 3

The third year, I was back in South Carolina studying alongside the CUHK cohort. This is the year that you complete all required courses for graduation, save a few because the study abroad credits come back as pass/fail and can only be a portion of your academic track. After the academic year ended, I secured a great-for-SC internship in NYC. I, however, chose not to pursue the full time position in NYC after graduation for several reasons.

Year 4

I graduated in Hong Kong without full time employment not knowing how difficult it would be to recruit with virtually no experience and while no longer a student on campus.

Information provided by request from the IBCE Program administrators:

International Business and Chinese Enterprise
Placement Examples

Full Time Employment:
• Business Analyst/Consultant, McKinsey and Company, NYC
• Financial Analyst for Morgan Stanley, Australia
• Consultant at Oliver Wyman, United Arab Emirates
• Brand Consultant, Shift Limited Hong Kong
• Financial Mgmt Consulting Associate at KPMG, Los Angeles
• Senior Analyst at HSBC Global Banking
• Financial Analyst, Freddie Mac
• Analyst, Bank of America Merrill Lynch
• District Sales Leader at Nestle
• Sales Executive at Maersk Line
• Assurance Associate; PWC; NYC
• Director of Marketing; Baker & Miller; Washington DC
• Associate Analyst; Cooke and Bieler Investment Mgmt, Philadelpha
• Risk Insurance Associate at PWC
• Finance Strategy& Transformation Mgmt Consultant; KPMG; LA CA
• Senior Foreign Consultant; New Oriental Vision Overseas Consulting; Shenzhen China
• HR Associate; Capital Group/American Funds; LA CA,
• Digital Marketing Assistant; China Telecom Americas; Herndon VA
• Data Analyst; HP Enterprise; Denver CO
• Financial Institution Specialist; FDIC;
• Operations Manager; FedEx Ground; DE;
• Finance Leadership Development Program; Thermo Fisher Scientific; Boston
• Customs and Trade Oper Rep; Eastman Chemical Company, Kingsport TN
• Assistant National Bank Examiner; Office of the Comptroller of the Currency (US Dept of Treasury), Charlotte NC;
• Logistics Analyst; Mitsubishi Fuso Truck & Bus Corp; Kawasaki, Japan
• Global Capital Markets Analyst; Morgan Stanley; Sydney Australia
• Intl Manager/Consulting; NHHS Consulting; Bergen Norway
• Operations Officer; Fastmatch Inc; NYC
• Intl Program Manager; American Hardwood Export Council; Reston VA
• Humana; Senior Strategy Advancement Professional; New York, NY

Graduate Programs/ Additional Education:
• 3 selected to study 5th year in the USC IB/Honors College Oxford Scholars Program
• Univ of South California Masters of Accounting
• Norwegian School of Economics Masters Degree in Development Economics
• Cambridge University, UK, Masters of Phil
• MPA International Development, Tsinghua University
• Masters of International Business at USC
• JD University of Pennsylvania Law
• Master of Industrial Relations, Cornell

Internships
• Brookings Institution; Beijing , China- Research Assistant
• Strategic Marketing Intl LLC; Charleston, SC Marketing and Advertising Intern
• Textron Inc, Providence RI; Corporate Marketing and Sponsorship Intern
• Siemens Shanghai, Ltd; Shanghai China, Business Administration Intern
• Wells Fargo; Washington DC- Commercial Banking Summer Analyst
• Tomlin & Company/Southland Capital Partners; Columbia, SC Investment Research Analyst

• BlackRock Financial Services; Hong Kong; Summer Analyst
• AIA, Hong Kong; Summer Strategy Analyst
• Credit Suisse; NYC; Investment Banking Summer Analyst
• Credit Suisse; NYC; Investment Banking Operations Analyst
• Gulfstream Aerospace; Savannah GA; Summer Intern
• Bosch North America; Charleston SC; Summer Intern
• SC Dept of Commerce; Columbia SC; Research Intern
• Control Risks (Global Risk Consultancy); Shanghai China, Global Client Services Intern
• US Dept of Commerce; Hong Kong; Project Assistant
• SC Senate; Columbia SC; Business and Economic Development Intern
• PWC; Washington DC; Financial Markets Group Intern
• Adidas Group, Hong Kong; Strategic Business Analyst Intern
• Jarden Consumer Solutions; Business Analyst Intern
• Jsure Healthmedia; Shanghai China; Business Development Intern
• Orient ES Capital Group; Hong Kong; Investment and Advisory Group Intern
• Deloitte China, Hong Kong; Intern
• Bai Jun Capital Group; Beijing China; Investment Banking Intern
• Raytheon; Tucson AZ; Financial Planning Intern
• Shaw Industries, Dalton GA; Global Sourcing Intern
• Morgan Stanley; Hong Kong; Equity Sales and Trading Summer Analyst
• Boeing Company, Everett WA; Quality Specialist Intern
• Boeing Company, Everett WA; Procurement Intern
• Merrill Lynch; Columbia, SC Wealth Mgmt and Financial Advising Intern
• China Merchants Bank; NYC; Analyst Intern
• Vanguard, Charlotte, NC; Retail Investment Group Intern
• FedEx, Memphis TN; Analytics Intern
• Techtronic Industries, Columbia SC; Field Sales and Marketing Intern

@IBCEOG Interesting info. Our kid was also accepted, several years ago, at the same IB Program at Univ of South Carolina on nearly full ride scholarship as an out of state applicant. He was also drawn to Univ of South Carolina for the same reasons you listed, but ultimately decided to go to another college as a full pay. What I can say is unless your Chinese language skill is really good, knowing another language might not help a great deal. One thing I learned is that certain colleges with a lot of endowment money are able to give stipend for summer internships abroad, making summer internships abroad possible.