is a later application doomed?

<p>Vilify, that’s the reason I’m on here asking. </p>

<p>Med school applications close on Nov 1st. My recent experience is only with undergrad applications for which the application window for highly selective schools closes on Jan 1st. Undergrad applicants who click send at 11:59 on Jan 1st but are good candidates are not penalized at all for that. </p>

<p>In contrast (based on what I’m learning in this thread) med school admissions is an entirely different kettle of fish and the Nov 1st “deadline” is actually a bit misleading. I know better than to show up late for anything you want to be taken seriously about! I’m just trying to find the definition of “late” in this context.</p>

<p>DD applied in June, she actually had interviews, both for private and public schools in July, August, & Sept. As well as some scheduled for Oct, Nov, Dec, Jan.</p>

<p>Her state school did seem to run a later schedule, reading SDN, they did not seem to begin interviews until October, with the first invites going out in late September.</p>

<p>DS submitted the TMDSAS early July, the AMCAS the second half of July (forgot the date; he was actually not very much motivated in applying to most AMCAS schools around that time.) This is considered by most as slightly late.</p>

<p>Just for grins, here’s what I did as far as I remember:</p>

<p>Jan-April–study for MCAT (Kaplan class)
end April–request LORs
late May–MCAT
late June–scores
early July–AMCAS submitted
mid-July–AMCAS verified
end July–LORs received
August–work on secondaries
end August–committee interview (my school doesn’t do them any earlier! yikes!)
mid-September–complete at all schools except 1 (with a notoriously terrible secondary)
mid-October–most (3) interview invites
early November–last app submitted followed by last interview invite
mid-November–interview
early December–2 interviews
mid-December–acceptance (attending!)
early January–interview
early March–withdrew from 1 school, waitlisted at 2 others
early July–withdrew from schools where I was waitlisted
end July–M1 year begins</p>

<p>I was OK stats-wise (3.8/30), very strong on extracurriculars, and had a nice collection of very strong recommendation letters.</p>

<p>If I were doing it again, I’d definitely submit earlier, mostly so I could be finished writing everything by the end of the summer. Really, there’s nothing holding you back from submitting AMCAS–it’s just a matter of filling out all the very tedious forms–because the verification of AMCAS doesn’t depend on MCAT scores, and you can easily add schools to your list even after you’ve submitted and/or been verified. Adding applications to a full schedule is tough, and you definitely want to give your applications your all because they are critically important to your future. </p>

<p>I’d select the earliest possible interview dates again, even if it meant missing classes (which it did). The way I saw it, my future is more important than a few lectures. Luckily my profs were understanding and didn’t mind rescheduling tests for me, but even if they weren’t, I still would have picked the earliest possible dates. </p>

<p>Basically, applying smartly to a well-chosen list of schools will help minimize any “strikes against” your application. Getting into med school is hard work, so putting yourself at a disadvantage by applying late (which in my opinion would be any time after Aug 1) is just not in your best interest. </p>

<p>Your kiddo has undoubtedly worked very hard to get where she is now. She’s taken the classes, shadowed the doctors, spent time volunteering, dabbled in research, gotten involved on campus, and probably a boatload of other things. It would be quite unfortunate to squander all of that hard work by submitting a late application. It’s much better to do it once and do it correctly than have to try again. I know it sucks to wait, but sometimes that’s the best approach! </p>

<p>Good luck to all!</p>

<p>At Brown they told us that submitting after July is “on the late side” with after September being essentially pointless.</p>

<p>A better analogy is if you wanted to avoid the front row at a movie on opening night, would you get there right when it started or much earlier?</p>

<p>Bringing this thread back up because I talked to UW Admissions about residency and asked for confirmation that admitted out of region (non-WWAMI) students pay in-region after the first year.</p>

<p>She said that while that had been true, last year was the final year of this and starting this cycle they will pay out of region the entire time. She recognized that this is tough but also stated that there might be fellowships available.</p>

<p>I also talked to her about exactly when and how long it takes to establish residency in WA. It’s kind of crazy and even she wasn’t exactly sure of a ‘drop dead’ date for when you need to start establishing residency as they are apparently changing the deadline on when the secondary is due and that will determine the residency date. She is supposed to get back to me soon.</p>

<p>Here’s my understanding so far:</p>

<p>It takes 1 year before MATRICULATION to establish residency. However, you need to be headed towards establishing residency 6 months before the secondary deadline, thus the 6 months mentioned here:</p>

<p>[UW</a> Residency - Medical Student Applicants](<a href=“Medical Student Applicants - Office of the University Registrar”>Medical Student Applicants - Office of the University Registrar)</p>

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<p>So, at this point if an applicant has shown their intent to establish residency for 6 months, they will then be considered in-region and in UWs secondary they apparently ask about whether or not you plan to stay in the region and there are other places to talk about your fidelity to the PNW. </p>

<p>However, the problem still remains that very few out of region applicants are sent a secondary, as they receive an additional review beyond the gpa/MCAT screening:</p>

<p>[Application-Procedures-Requirements</a> | UW Medicine, Seattle](<a href=“http://uwmedicine.washington.edu/Education/MD-Program/Admissions/Applicants/Pages/ApplicationProcedureandRequirements.aspx#non]Application-Procedures-Requirements”>http://uwmedicine.washington.edu/Education/MD-Program/Admissions/Applicants/Pages/ApplicationProcedureandRequirements.aspx#non)</p>

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<p>It’s my understanding that the primary simply asks current residency status, so most out of region applicants will never receive a secondary and therefore will not have their progress towards establishing residency in WA be assessed.</p>

<p>Not certain I’m understanding all of the factors and timing correctly, so comments are welcome!</p>

<p>That is a lot to process Entomom!</p>

<p>I know UNC as of last year accepts OOS students and cannot exceed the 18% cap. But after a year they are re-classified as in-state. And…some do receive scholarship money and some as part of the scholie are charged in-state with a one-time additional award…for re-location…think of it as a bonus. But not touted anywhere on the website. Depends on what they want.</p>

<p>Son did hear something about this change from UW last year, it was included in his paperwork after they processed his secondary…I thought it was confusing then.</p>

<p>For NC, ECU accepts no OOS, and UNC caps at 18%, and it is very difficult to even get an interview as an OOS, the numbers are ugly. But in son’s class this year there are many in-staters who were not in-state 2 years ago. They moved from everywhere to increase their chances, and for some it worked.</p>

<p>Kat</p>

<p>Here is documentation about the change in the tuition waiver policy:</p>

<p>[UW</a> Residency - Graduate & Professional Student Waiver](<a href=“Graduate and Professional Students - Office of the University Registrar”>Graduate and Professional Students - Office of the University Registrar)</p>

<p>Also wanted to clarify that there is a grandfather clause for those previously admitted under the tuition waiver policy.</p>