Is a PhD worth it in my situation? Advice welcome!

<p>I recently got accepted onto a PhD program in Political Science. I enjoy my subject but failed to get a scholarship. I was supposed to start in October but have deferred by entry until 2011, probably Oct but maybe Jan.</p>

<p>Anyway, I will be 27 next year and havent really got into a career. I've done a bit of Public Affairs work and some writing but nothing stable. Further, I am not 100% certain I want to committ 4 years to a PhD.</p>

<p>TBH my primary motivation in applying was social. I miss college, the fun and friends, the long debates, the endless mojitos! But taking 4 years out of the job market and incuring what would be about 20k in debt makes me question the whole thing.</p>

<p>My alternative plan is to start a 2nd MA maybe part time. Help!</p>

<p>I don’t think a phd program or even a master’s program will give you the social life you miss. phd programs are very demanding. Unless you have very career specific interests that require you to have a phd, there is no reason to go for it, especially if you’ll be financing your education. Even a master’s might not be worth it if you don’t plan on benefiting from it for your career.</p>

<p>I can pass a MA with little effort. I lazed the first time round and got solid grades. (As/Bs) Part time I’d be paying about 2-2.5k per annum, not massive money. </p>

<p>Do you think a vocational MA would be a good option? MSc in Public Affairs or something?</p>

<p>I’m quite indecisive and also very spontaneous. I start stuff on a feeling and often dont finish it. I need direction (and mojitos!).</p>

<p>not entirely true @ liek0806, depends on what kind of programs are you at. since OP didn’t specify what kind of school he is referring to, we shouldn’t make assumptions.</p>

<p>top tier school yes you will have zero life, but at mid/low tier school, phd lifestyle is very relaxing. like working at lab 10-4, daily afternoon tea, lab mates grab a beer at the bar across from your office, very fun&social</p>

<p>The place I hold is at a middle ranked school. The MA option would open many top schools to me, owing to my already solid MA.</p>

<p>“like working at lab 10-4, daily afternoon tea, lab mates grab a beer at the bar across from your office, very fun&social” - What school is this? Damn, maybe I should have picked a different grad school ;)</p>

<p>You need to get your life underway, not defer it. Do a PhD only if it’s part of a plan to go somewhere/ do something–for instance, if it is a prerequisite for a career you want to pursue and that you have reason to think you would succeed at–not just because you feel like killing time at great expense. Otherwise you’re going to be in your 30s when you finish, way in debt, and with dubious job prospects. You might as well look for a job now with your current qualifications, and make a serious effort to ramp up your social life outside of working hours if you think it is lacking. It’s easier anyhow to have a fun social life if you have a decent income coming in.</p>

<p>Thanks for the advice. I would love to find a stable job but the market is real slow. Second MA or Law School are my options?</p>

<p>Do you feel you are not qualified for jobs because of your lack of an MA? I ask because you might be digging yourself a deeper hole by pursuing either of those options. Law school especially will put you in a lot of debt, and there is no guarantee that within 5 years you can get a good enough job to pay that back. </p>

<p>I would analyze why you want to go back to school in the first place (wanting a social life is not a good reason). If you sincerely think an MA from a mid ranked school will elevate your job prospects enough to justify the cost, then do it. I would ask for feedback from interviewers first and determine what your weaknesses actually are before putting yourself into debt.</p>

<p>Also I don’t understand how you would only be in 20k debt after 4 years of school. Are assistantships guaranteed or something? Tuition + cost of living for 4 years should put you back more than that.</p>

<p>PhD fees are much cheaper in the UK. About 3-4k per annum for fees. I already have a MA in IR with very high grades, including a distinction for my thesis.</p>

<p>Cost of Living can vary, at about 600-700 a month, I wouldnt need to take out debt. I earn that with my writing. If I could land an additional p/t job, I’d be clearing a grand a month easily.</p>

<p>Ah OK, for some reason I thought you were applying to schools in the US.</p>

<p>I have considered that, but as yet as sticking to the UK.</p>

<p>I have decided to deffer my place until Fall 2011. This gives me time to save and sort out financing, plus take a holiday or two, work on my game and enjoy top notch grub.</p>

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<li><p>I would not pay for a PhD, especially not in a humanities or social science field, even if it were only costing me $4,000 a year. It’s not worth it. Doctoral students in the humanities and to a certain extent in the social sciences are generally being trained for one thing - to become professors. Professors don’t get paid enough to pay back the amount you would have to borrow for a PhD program plus living expenses and whatever you borrowed in undergrad. The caveat is I say this as a PhD student on fellowship at a place where the tuition is $34,000 a year while you’re in coursework and $3,000 a year thereafter. Assuming I finished in 5 years, it would cost me over $90,000, and that’s not even including living expenses. Would I have come here if I had no grant or fellowship? Heck no. But I still wouldn’t pay even $4,000 a year for a PhD.</p></li>
<li><p>Doing a PhD, a master’s, or law school just for the experience of being back in school, making friends, and having some kind of social life you imagine is a terrible idea. I can only speak for the PhD and the master’s. For the master’s, you do have kind of a social life - during my first year here, when I was more of a master’s student, I met lots of other master’s students as friends and we hung out, went out on the weekends, explored New York and had fun. I had less time than them because I am a doctoral student, but they all seemed to make lifelong friendships and such. The atmosphere here is really work hard play hard for the master’s students. However, again the caveat is that they are over $60,000 in debt and that’s just tuition; most of them had to borrow living expenses, too, so that’s about $100,000 just for a social life.</p></li>
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<p>For doctoral education, I definitely know that’s not the case. Your social life will depend a lot on your department. One of my departments is kind of stodgy and I stopped seeing the other students in my cohort after the first year, when we had a class together. They are all work, work work. They don’t want to go out and when they do want to get together, it’s at someone’s house to just chat. I’m in an interdisciplinary program and so I have two departments, and my secondary department is more fun - more close-knit and they tend to go out for drinks more (like we had a night on the town when one of my labmates defended!) But it’s not a regular-basis thing - it’s only a couple of times a semester, when we have something to celebrate - someone defends, someone gets a job, someone gets a big publication, or the holiday party. But honestly, the amount of work you have to do to stay afloat almost cancels out any fun and if someone asked me I would not say doctoral work is FUN, in any semblance of it. There are moments but it is not fun. It is hard work and it is miserable far more often than it is fun. My dad asked me if it was worth it earlier today and I had to half-lie because I wasn’t really sure how to answer the question.</p>

<p>I don’t know much about law school, but from what I’ve heard it’s not a barrel of fun either, not to mention that you’ll be borrowing six-figure debt. If you want a social life, join a community activity, volunteer, get a dog and take it to the dog park, start a ■■■■■■■■■■ group. Do something free or cheap through which you can meet people. For God’s sake don’t come to graduate school, because you will just want to shoot yourself.</p>

<p>You’ve given me a lot to think about. I men obviously figures like 60,000 arent relevant to me as (thankfully) our fees are £3500 per annum. But I do enjoy my topic area and could leave after 18 months with a MPhil.</p>

<p>That said, debt is debt and my commitment is shaky at best.</p>

<p>But there are so few jobs atm. It’s a PhD or maybe another year wasted. </p>

<p>Help!</p>

<p>Also begs the Q do I want to be a professor?</p>

<p>I can see the upside, but am not wholly committed to it.</p>