<p>Abortion is a murder, if you define murder as depriving life of alive creature. Also, killing animals such as cows, chicken and pigs is murder too. Do you consider yourself superior to animals? (question to religious fanatics). Why? If we can kill them, then now give a choice to woman? We are all God's creatures, hey, if we can kill animals because we are stronger and capable of doing so... Why not abortion?</p>
<p>^Bacteria are living creatures. Do you feel any moral qualms about using antibacterial soap?</p>
<p>^ Yeah, that's exactly my point. If you are pro-life, be pro-life in everything.</p>
<p>Consider the possibility that life never begins nor ends, so it's a moot point. From that guiltless perspective, we have to decide what sort of society we would like to be. A highly evolved society would never abort fetuses. Then again, it would also choose not to conduct wars, consume pesticides, or destroy ecosystems that sustain all life.</p>
<p>The problem with people who are pro-life on the issue of abortion is that they have been bamboozled by a church that has admitted to provoking the hot button issue as a way to raise money. Same with homosexuality. There's nothing concrete in the Bible about either, and yet they push these issues while no longer promoting slavery, which is strongly supported in the Bible.</p>
<p>They charge "liberals" with being heathen baby killers, and yet one would be hardpressed to argue that, on the balance, liberals are not more pro-life. Neither side can claim absolute piety on the issue though.</p>
<p>So, if one seeks to call herself pro-life, there is no rational political divide. One must support life in all its forms:</p>
<p>Stand against unnecessary wars contrived by manipulative governments</p>
<p>Stand against ecological destruction justified in the name of "progress".</p>
<p>Stand against pesticides put in food and the soil that slowly kills us all.</p>
<p>Stand against the death penalty which kills to teach others that killing is bad.</p>
<p>Stand against oppression of the rights of others to fully experience the life they have been given (minorities, women, homosexuals).</p>
<p>Stand against self-centered lifestyles, such as auto-dependent suburbia, that would require 6 planet earths to sustain our population if everyone lived such a lifestyle.</p>
<p>Stand against abortion - not necessarily by making it illegal (would we ever take away the choice for war from our government?) but by restructuring our society to eliminate demand for abortions, war, the death penalty, and ecological destruction.</p>
<p>Biologically, the people who birth children are not supposed to raise them. Adults over 50-60 are supposed to. That would be a first step to both minimizing abortions and liberating young people to live their lives.</p>
<p>Abortion is killing a human life. "Murder" is defined as "to kill a human being unlawfully and with premeditated malice" or as "the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought".
Under the law of all states, a killing can be legal or illegal depending upon the circumstances, such as premeditated actions versus self-defense.
To me, abortion is a legally excusable killing of a human life only in the instances of rape, incest & to save the life of the mother. But, whether one is the doctor, patient or father, you still have to live with this choice for the rest of your life.</p>
<p>I consider myself pro choice if I actually have to choose between the apparently only two choices .That being said , I believe the choice of abortion is almost always the wrong choice. If the woman , or teenager would've taken the proper precautions to avoid becoming pregnant in the first place,( unless her and her partner chose to) , this argument wouldn't be so controversial.
Heated argument that cannot be won on either side, but I believe that if the proper education was readily available and emphasized, we would just see a drop in elective abortions. If the parents of the young women are not there to provide guidance, then it should be taught in school . For those who cannot fathom having reproductive issues taught , then opt out and be ready to handle it on your own.</p>
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Once a baby leaves the womb, what possible benefit can there be to its death? No months of pregnancy avoided, no pain of childbirth spared... not even the medical expenses. To kill a human being with no reason or benefit is best left avoided.
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I agree, but think about the possibilities! No diapers to buy, no stinky diapers to change, no nuisance to potty train, no need to teach the alphabet or how to count. I think you've stumbled upon a pretty good idea here. And think of all the applications... old people, annoying people, disabled people...</p>
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To me, abortion is a legally excusable killing of a human life only in the instances of rape, incest & to save the life of the mother.
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<p>Aren't the children of rapists just as human as any other fetus? I never understood this position - if you believe all embryos have the right to life, why does it matter how they got here?</p>
<p>I personally believe that abortion is murder, as the embryo or fetus will by then have its human genotype, and has the potential to become a human being.</p>
<p>I'm also opposed to all murder of human beings (regardless of the circumstances). I don't oppose murder of animals, or bacteria, because it is usually for the good of humanity. It serves a purpose (food and protection from bacteria). Hunters (to be discerned from growers of livestock) and fur-gatherers, and the destruction of ecology for the purpose of human progress (which will end up killing us in the long run), and others like them*, on the other hand, deserve contempt. </p>
<p>On the issue of the right to choose, I believe that it's not really your right<a href="you're%20going%20to%20have%20to%20assume%20for%20the%20moment%20that%20the%20embryo/fetus%20is%20alive%20for%20this%20to%20make%20sense">/I</a>. When you abort a fetus, you deny the opportunity for life (you can't deny that a fetus is what *may be a human being). You're "right to choose" affects a future person, not just yourself. If that fetus had a mind, I'm sure s/he'd object to your decision to abort.</p>
<p>*let me define "others like them" as people or things that, in the long run, destroy human, animal, and plant life in the long run / more than needed (throw away food and I will set fire to your home). Bacterial life isn't included because that entire kingdom is basically invincible, and will outlast everything else.</p>
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<p>Any egg cell has the potential to become a human being. I know, it needs to be fertilized by a sperm cell before it has a complete human genotype, but an embryo needs to spend months in a uterus before it can develop a human heart and brain. Are you opposed to birth control? Condoms? Abstinence?</p>
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<p>Yeah, throwing away food is wanton destruction, but arson is just fine - how could that destroy human life?</p>
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On the issue of the right to choose, I believe that it's not really your right (you're going to have to assume for the moment that the embryo/fetus is alive for this to make sense). When you abort a fetus, you deny the opportunity for life (you can't deny that a fetus is what may be a human being). You're "right to choose" affects a future person, not just yourself. If that fetus had a mind, I'm sure s/he'd object to your decision to abort.
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Suppose we maintain that a newborn or foetal human should not gain a right to live until someone agrees, at least implicitly (with resources) to facilitate that right. This is much more legally feasible than your conviction. How would you defend your idea in the real world? With a series of exceptions? If so, then who determines the nature of those exceptions? If not, then what are you going to do about complications?</p>
<p>I almost blatantly refuse to comply with laws that disallow me the right to rear humans! I don't care if they have minds; their capacity for perception is not necessarily better than that of an extremely complex contraption, and if we can trademark rice breeds I will enslave my creatures.
To circumvent the morality legislators, I am willing to strip them of a couple chromosomes to make them breedwise inhuman.</p>
<p>abortion is wrong.</p>
<p>@ Stella: No, that's why I put down "human genotype." A single sex cell only contains half of it. In addition, a single sex cell is not a potential fetus, in that it alone cannot naturally become a fetus by itself. It needs its complementary part. (An egg or sperm left alone won't become a baby).</p>
<p>And as for that last part of your post... Please don't tell me you honestly believed that I would really set fire to your home for throwing away food. I wouldn't.</p>
<p>Really. I wouldn't.</p>
<p>@ GeekNerd: My convictions would hold in the real world because I assume (maybe foolishly) that most people do not wish to die without being given at least a first chance. It would also hold because I assume (again, maybe foolishly) that most people have some sort of moral ground on which they stand, of which you appear to have none.</p>
<p>^An embryo can't become a fetus by itself. It needs nourishment, oxygen, and heat (generally provided by the mother's body) to grow bigger than a few cells. An embryo left in a test tube won't become a baby.</p>
<p>No, I didn't seriously believe you would set fire to someone's home, I just wanted to point out the irony of the statement.</p>