<p>re#16, I quickly see they are taking credit for two Cornell professors who may have been a visiting prof there for a semester during a sabbatical or something. That’s just ones I know about, who knows what else is on that list. I’m sure NYC is a popular choice for such sabbatical purposes, but I wonder how much undergrad teaching those people were doing during these brief visits. In any event it is somewhat misleading to be listing such (briefly)visiting profs on such list.</p>
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<p>This is the biggest myth perpetrated about NYC schools, particularly Stern and Columbia, on CC. Wall Street internships, from what I’ve been told and what I’ve read, are extremely intense – 60+ hours/week (and usually well above that). </p>
<p>It’s impossible to cram that into Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. The banks on Wall St. don’t even offer internships to Columbia students during the school year.</p>
<p>The * only * school in the top ten that gives its students an advantage in getting (Wall Street) internships during the school year is Dartmouth, with its D-Plan.</p>
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This is not USNWR’s job to factor this into account, as this preference changes from person to person. Just as the city might be bad for one person, it might be great for the next. That should have little to no reflection on the quality of the University (unless like no one wanted to go to a school because of location).</p>
<p>Now moving to ICalculus’ comments…
That does not mean you can comment correctly. I know my bias and am attempting to comment on mainly factual matters as objectively as possible. </p>
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Again you have this misconception that Stanford is only a school for math/science people. This is SO far from the truth. Again, just look through the whole Wikipedia page, click the famous alumni link, whatever.</p>
<p>Yeah, I thought the “no Friday classes” was incorrect also. While the Friday schedule of classes may have many less offerings as opposed to MTuWTh, there were definitely Friday classes at Columbia in my time there. A distiguished professor I had for a 7.30am Friday class promptly stopped lecturing and begain loudly clearing his throat every time someone walked in after the start of class.</p>
<p>@posts 1 and 2
“they’re” great schools.
“They’re” jealous that “their” school.</p>
<p>My opinion of Columbia went up a few notches when Meadow Soprano decided to attend.</p>
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Yes because proximity to NYC is exactly one of the criteria used in the rankings. They really fail don’t they.</p>
<p>“…proximity to NYC is exactly one of the criteria used in the rankings.”</p>
<p>some on CC would claim this is true, except they use the euphamism “Peer assessment” for it.</p>
<p>Columbia not a great school? why if Alexander Hamilton had been a better shot and felled Aaron Burr, it would even be greater than Princeton today.</p>
<p>I’m right outside of NYC and Columbia is very highly regarded here as well. Good for Columbia. Although, to be honest…how much difference is there actually between #4 and #6? Why does it even matter which is one space above another?</p>
<p>Still, I think Columbia is a phenomenal school. My school actually had less people admitted to Columbia than to Stanford, Princeton, or Harvard (yes, really). Not that that actually means much, but at least where I’m from it’s generally regarded as on-par with HY and P.</p>
<p>As the parent of both a Carleton and a Columbia student, I submit that neither Penn nor Columbia is better than Carleton. :)</p>
<p>If you are talking about opportunities for students, Carleton isn’t even in the same league as Penn, Columbia, or any other Ivy especially for extremely competitive fields (finance, law, etc.). Most of elite employers in those fields on the East Coast I have met would not even give students at Carleton an interview. Of course, there are smart people at Carleton, but they usually need to attend grad school at a prestigious university before they get opportunities to work for top employers.
If you are talking about quality of education and facilities, then Columbia, etc. might not be better.</p>
<p>…IvyPBear, do you have to take everything so seriously? No one was insulting, talking, or referring to you in any way, so why do you feel the need to instantly put other people down? You act like you know everything about every college and everyone. When you meet an employer, do you specifically ask “would you give a Carleton (or Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore, Bowdoin, etc.) student an interview?” I’m guessing you don’t, and you’re assuming. Besides, Carleton is an LAC so I’m pretty sure the majority of its students aren’t looking to go into finance to begin with…and the majority of Carleton pre-law students go to law school…sooooo…</p>
<p>PS - I got into an Ivy. I still chose Carleton. 
Not that it matters in your case, though, since I’m planning to go to grad school anyway to get my doctorate. But thanks for trying to put me in my place.</p>
<p>Also, thanks, pbr. You’re a nice person.</p>
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<p>I wonder how much undergrad teaching any nobel laureate does. Columbia actually has a phenomenal undergrad prof who happens to be a nobel (Horst Stormer). Nobels serve to give prestige and recognition to a university’s research activities. </p>
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<p>Nope every school does it, they count profs who’ve been there for less than a year. Even if you uniformly only count profs and researchers who’ve been there for a year or more, Columbia has the most number of nobel affiliations. </p>
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<p>no, you’re wrong, you’re mixing up round the year internships with summer internships. Summer internships are a full week of work. Round the year internship are usually 10-20 hours per week. I had tons and tons of friends who interned in finance one day during the (mon-thur) week and on fridays or exclusively on fridays, in many cases these organically led to summer and full-time offers. I’ve interviewed for part time round-the-year internships, but chose not to take them because I had too many commitments already. I just graduated from columbia, and now work on wall street, so I have a little perspective.</p>
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<p>yet several middle-class classmates without connections were in their offices on fridays?</p>
<p>also from what I’ve heard about the D-Plan, the full-time internships during the year are completely unstructured, no training, and companies are left wondering why they should hire a temp for a full 60 hours a week when it isn’t the summer.</p>
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<p>no, 90% of classes are M-W or Tu-Th, so it’s very easy to plan a schedule around free fridays. I went all 8 semesters without friday classes and was able to work a research job on campus as a result</p>
<p>"I wonder how much undergrad teaching any nobel laureate does. "
Can’t say about others, or Columbia, but as for “any”, FWIW one of them taught two my undergrad physics courses at Cornell.</p>
<p>“Even if you uniformly only count profs and researchers who’ve been there for a year or more, Columbia has the most number of nobel affiliations”
It would take some work to verify that. </p>
<p>“…every school does it,…”
Maybe so, I don’t know, I only noticed specific cases with columbia. Even if so, it’s no stretch to suppose that, due to NYC as a desirable sabbatical destination, Columbia’s reporting would disproportionately benefit from this practice. And the practice is misleading in all cases.</p>
<p>LOL Vienna Man.</p>
<p>Hamilton was so whimpy!!! No wonder his statue is set aside in a corner of the campus where you can pass by it without even noticing.</p>
<p>Incidentally, it always makes me laugh to recall reading about the philosophical battles between Hamilton and Thomas Jefferson, particularly Hamilton deriding Jefferson as “womanish.” Talk about dirty politics!</p>
<p>reesezpiecez103-You are the one taking everything too seriously. People like you on this board have no tolerance or reality at all. Or else, why do you feel the need to reply if my post doesn’t even apply to you, since you are obviously not pursuing finance & law? Since you are going into academia, I can see why you may reject an Ivy for Carleton, so why on earth did you feel compelled to write a rebuttal? Plus, I even admitted that 1. “of course, there are smart people at Carleton” and 2. “if you are talking about quality of education and facilities, then Columbia, etc. might not be better.” The truth is, opportunities for Carleton grads in elite finance and law are limited compared to ones available to grads of Ivies. Also, I never even mentioned Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore, and Bowdoin. I have only heard employers make fun of LACs in the Midwest. The world isn’t nice. People can get made fun of and degraded simply because they never attended elite prep school out east, especially in stress interviews. So grow up, and stop putting words in my mouth.</p>
<p>By the way, does anybody have a list of universities by number of Nobel laureates affiliated with them <em>at the time</em> of winning a Nobel prize? I think such a list would be measure not just the brand power of universities, but also their ability to support Nobel prize-winning research.</p>
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Oh, I don’t know about that. What if the laureate had only been there for a year? Two years? Many researchers, even tenured ones, move from one university to the next. Besides, which can take credit more for a laureate - the university that offers him/her space or the one that trained him/her? These are the reasons why multiple universities will lay claim to the same individual.</p>
<p>To use a well-known researcher, say Irene Pepperberg was awarded the Nobel prize for her work with Alex. Should the credit go to MIT (where she did her undergrad and later did research), Harvard (PhD work), Purdue (where she got started), Arizona (where she was tenured and did research), Northwestern (where she did yet more research), or Brandeis/Harvard (where she most currently worked/lectured)? If only one, why not the others?</p>