<p>toxic93,</p>
<p>I haven’t heard of Columbia, MIT and Caltech until I was in high school too. But when I’ve heard about them, I knew right away that MIT and Caltech are in a league above Columbia, so I treated Columbia as a fallback to MIT. I did not apply to Caltech because I don’t think I would fit in, but that doesn’t mean Caltech is less respected. Columbia maybe more well-known by the general masses, but it isn’t as much respected as HYPSMC are.</p>
<p>More respected in WS? What?</p>
<p>Stanford grads don’t have a higher acceptance rate to top grad schools as Columbia. More or less equal. Any statistics? Did you forget Obama went to Harvard after Columbia?</p>
<p>Do you know your talking about prestige for Stanford right? Prestige doesn’t make one school better then another.</p>
<p>Columbia is better then Caltech and MIT. No doubt about it. As I said, stanford can be questionable, but MIT and Caltech cant ever be compared to Columbia. I never heard of Caltech ever until this website, and even then nobody in my HS ever talked about that school. MIT is more well know and respected then Caltech. Columbia is also a ivy league. Mostly everyone knows ivy leagues as respected and prestigious institutions in the world.</p>
<p>You learn something new every day. I would have never thought it. Always thought Stanford was the preeminent science school. But according to Post # 15-Columbia has 95 Nobels versus only 51 from Stanford. Is this “pawing in the backyard”?</p>
<p>^ Exactly.</p>
<p>RML-some advice. If you want to beat up on Columbia, send in your 300 pound football gorilla linemen and your Tom Watson-Tiger Woods golfers and you can confidently kick the stuffing out of Columbia. Otherwise you are inviting more post 15s.</p>
<p>The next we know RMLis going to explain to us why the Nobel prizes are now insignificant and that Stanford wins more Sebastian Cavanaugh or Thadeus Johnson awards or some other metric.</p>
<p>Mid-Career Median Salary:</p>
<p>Princeton University $123,000
Harvard University $121,000
California Institute of Technology (Caltech) $120,000
Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) $119,000
Stanford University $119,000
Yale University $110,000</p>
<p>Columbia University $99,700</p>
<p>Location:
Columbia - NY
HYSPMC - Not in New York</p>
<p>For what? That difference is mostly because some people choose low-salary major’s and careers as there future, rather then high-salary jobs. Not everyone want’s to be lawyer (I do), doctor, politician, CEO, or such.</p>
<p>RML _your survey only include those with undergrad degrees. Columbia, because of its pelthora of graduate schools has for decades had one of the highest levels of completion of law-med-PhD-MBA programs, probably on the order of 80 to 90 percent of the class. The salary figure cited above would be for such a small portion of Columbia undergrads as to be insiginificant. </p>
<p>Keep firing away though. You are keeping us all entertatined! Pathetic.</p>
<p>The average starting salary for Columbia Law is $160,000 for instance, which is more than most engineers make at mid career. Over 70% of the Columbia Med class become speicalists who average $200 to $500 K mid career.</p>
<p>RML…Just FYI on the point of trying to stay objective, you should break those numbers up based on field/industry/professional degrees/phds held if you want those comparisons to carry any serious meaning.</p>
<p>RML
As a UCB guy, I find it amazng that you are going to the mat for the Farm. Very interesting. You are losing credibility with these claims. Without a doubt MIT Caltech and Stanford have stronger engineering programs but on the whole, You can’t say with a straight face that Columbia is not as prestigious or more so than the others. Just bc some people are ignorant about a fact doesnt mean its the truth.</p>
<p>Also, it really should be H and the rest. Harvard is a special case.</p>
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<p>IvyPBear, you went out of your way to insult my school on a thread about Columbia, in response to a poster who was talking to me. So yeah, I considered that a comment that could be applied to me as well. I’d like to think I have penty of “reality,” although I wasn’t aware that “reality” is a trait that you can possess. My point was that I didn’t understand why you felt compelled to put Carleton down at the first chance you got, but to be honest, I don’t really care either way - I was just curious.</p>
<p>Anyway…back to the discussion at hand. RML, I’m just curious here - when you list the location of the schools as “NY” and “Not in NY,” are you implying that being in NY is actually a disadvantage? I’m genuinely curious because I wonder why you’d think that way (that was what I got from your post).</p>
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<p>Undergraduate Schools of J.D. Students Enrolled at Harvard Law School in 2005-2006 (this comes straight from the HLS website)</p>
<p>These undergraduate schools are represented by more than 30 students each at HLS
Harvard (232)
Yale (126)
Stanford (91)
Princeton (65)
Duke (55)
Penn (53)
Brown (51)</p>
<p>Columbia (44)
UCal-Berkeley (43)
UCLA (41)
Cornell (40),
Georgetown (33)
Dartmouth (31)</p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/law-school/656128-schools-harvard-law.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/law-school/656128-schools-harvard-law.html</a>
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/662310-ranking-undergrad-highest-acceptance-rates-law-school.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/662310-ranking-undergrad-highest-acceptance-rates-law-school.html</a></p>
<p>a little bit old data, but i don’t think they have changed much.</p>
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do you think HYPSM grads don’t go to grad schools? they do. and often, are the ones that get into top grad programs.</p>
<p>RML-you are like an energizer bunny. Can we have the weighted stats by class size and can we have Columbia, Yale, NYU and Chicago Law as well?
I am confident that you will get them from somewhere by 5 AM tomorrow.</p>
<p>(Interesting factoid-didn’t know that Georgetown had more people ar HLS than Dartmouth.)</p>
<p>I think HYPSM go to grad schools too. I even think that they frame their diplomas as well. I don’t know for a fact, but I think that HYPSM grad school rate is probably more like 70-75% than 80-85%. There wa a book someone published looking at Stanford and the ten and fifteen year outcomes for its graduates and I recall it saying that it was about 25% law, 18% med and 20% general masters degrees at the 15 year stage. The guy actually compared Stanford to Amherst and Columbia (which were the 2 highest). Couldn’t tell you the name of the book, just know it was from the early 1990s. If you could find it, it would be interesting reading.</p>
<p>The real point is that HYPSMC go to grad schools too.</p>
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<p>No. was just trying to show to Columbia pompoms that location is not much of a HUGE factor than academic and school name prestige. if it was, Columbia grads would have always won in the employment race at places like Bain, Goldman, McKinsey and the like since these are in NY.</p>
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<p>Yale’s data must be on this site too. just try to do a little digging. but if memory serves me right, data for HL aren’t any different from those for Yale Law. There’s still a huge gap between HYPS and Columbia. </p>
<p>Like I said, Columbia is great, and certainly one of the best in the world. But it is not HYPSMC great. HYPSMC are in a class of their own. But Columbia is great, if you know what I mean. It’s comparable to UPenn, Duke, Dartmouth, Chicago,and to a lesser extent, Brown, NU, JHU, Berkeley, WashingtUSL, Rice, Cornell and the like.</p>
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<p>Would you find Durham, Warwick or UCL more prestigious than LSE or Imperial College as a whole? Both Imperial and LSE are specialist schools whilst Warwick, Durham and UCL are, like Columbia, multi-faculty universities.</p>
<p>Yet somehow this year Columbia got higher then Stanford, Caltech, MIT in USNEWS?</p>
<p>With there methodology, don’t you think they should have gotten higher none-the-less if they were great as you say? </p>
<p>Sorry but Columbia is better then MIT/Caltech and is comparable to Stanford. MIT/Caltech are more mathematics oriented then any else. Columbia is more general. </p>
<p>Columbia has much more awards then Stanford, so surely Columbia must be better then Stanford then!!!one???</p>
<p>RML, I don’t recommend wasting your 3000th post seriously responding to this BC pre-frosh.</p>
<p>nothingto, I don’t think you’ve understood what I was saying. I was saying HYPSMC are superior to Columbia is academic reputation and brand power. Their PA scores say it all. I didn’t say HYPSMC are superior to Columbia based on USNews’ methodology. I also said that, I suspect Columbia’s undergrad is a bit better than some of HYPSMC. I just couldn’t be sure about that, but I think Columbia has a great teaching standard. I never said Columbia isn’t a great school. Of course it is. I only said it is not in the universe of HYPSMC. That shouldn’t be hard to understand.</p>