Is Dartmouth is a sub-standard school?

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Sweeping statement! </p>

<p>Any citation to back up your ridiculous claim?</p>

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Precisely. Good teaching, exceptional classmates, top-notch faculties, research opportunities as an undergrad, personal growth, good reputation... all these are frankly equally important in college selection.</p>

<p>Big Brother 1984 kept on telling me how good Dartmouth is going to place him in the finance sector.

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<p>We had this discussion before, and you keep coming back to it.</p>

<p>So spencer, are you going to answer my question? What's better, UT Austin, or Dartmouth?</p>

<p>spencer, it's about time you took a nap. You haven't really won anybody's support over (except joshua, who was kind of already on your side since the beginning). Just give it up.</p>

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Sweeping statement!</p>

<p>Any citation to back up your ridiculous claim?

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<p>Clever. No I don't have any citations. I didn't know this type of thing could be documented.</p>

<p>Let's be honest here, if there was no incentive to go to a top-tier school, then people just wouldn't go to college.</p>

<p>spencer, stop focusing only on the points you can answer.</p>

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No lying here Big Brother 1984. God forbids! You said it at another thread about how Dartmouth is better than Oxbridge, how people won't go to Oxbridge if they are accepted into any other Ivies, and how Oxbridge are worse than Dartmouth because they place you less successfully on Wall Street. And I was telling you off because Oxbridge people fill Canary Wharf. (The thread is "Times Higher Educational Supplement". It has been deleted.)</p>

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And you just said that without any source.</p>

<p>Come on, Dartmouth loses out to Imperial even when we count the number of Google hits! , which is suppose to favour Dartmouth to a huge magnitude because more Internet searches originates from the US!</p>

<p>That's official data, no matter how you would like to call it.</p>

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You said it at another thread about how Dartmouth is better than Oxbridge,

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<p>I NEVER said that.</p>

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how people won't go to Oxbridge if they are accepted into any other Ivies,

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<p>Nor that.</p>

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and how Oxbridge are worse than Dartmouth because they place you less successfully on Wall Street.

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<p>Nor that.</p>

<p>Those are all YOUR words. I explicitly stated that Dartmouth graduates do well on their own with post graduate opportunities, thereby refuting your claim that Dartmouth doesn't deserve to be where it is on USNWR. Of course I made some comparisons to Oxbridge, but since you can't read, you misinterpreted it as if I was actually placing Dartmouth above Oxbridge.</p>

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And you just said that without any source.

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<p>You're such a moron. How do you even source that? Check out the USNWR.</p>

<p>Listen spencer, you don't need proof for every single statement you've made. Some things are just plain obvious. If you can't take that statement above, then you really are a moron.</p>

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Come on, Dartmouth loses out to Imperial even when we count the number of Google hits! , which is suppose to favour Dartmouth to a huge magnitude because more Internet searches originates from the US!

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<p>Does that mean Imperial is better than Dartmouth? Listen, you keep making the Google hits argument. Moron.</p>

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That's official data, no matter how you would like to call it.

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<p>Hey, the THES and Shanghai Jiaotong rankings are also official data. But your points actually get weakened by those.</p>

<p>I strongly suspect your JC did not teach you how to debate.</p>

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<p>Spencer, you completely ignored my post. Dartmouth is #7 in grad placement (WSJ), and it sends a larger percentage of its class to graduate schools like Wharton, Harvard LAw, Stanford MBA, and Yale law than any school except HYPS. It has the most elite banks and consulting firms recruit on its campus outside of HYPSM, and it spends more per student than any other Ivy (COHE). In EVERY ranking related to undergrad (laizzes faire, brody, USNEWS) Dartmouth is always top 10. </p>

<p>Get over your fascination with research UNIVERSITIES. Dartmouth excels at UNDERGRAD.</p>

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Spencer, you completely ignored my post.

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<p>He does that quite often. I don't blame him, he can't read.</p>

<p>Everyone should take note of the post when he said Dartmouth wasn't really an LAC, but after completely missing my post describing Dartmouth as a de facto LAC. He didn't even know what de facto meant...</p>

<p>That was pure ownage man.</p>

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<p>Hey spencer, before you throw in the white towel, I want you to answer my question. Stop equivocating. Answer the question.</p>

<p>Is UT Austin unequivocally better than Dartmouth?</p>

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<p>well said</p>

<p>"Come on, Dartmouth loses out to Imperial even when we count the number of Google hits! , which is suppose to favour Dartmouth to a huge magnitude because more Internet searches originates from the US!"</p>

<p>I googled big brother 1984 and spencer11111. There were 1,480,000 for big brother 1984, but only 420 for spencer11111. Shall we now assume big brother 1984 is a better nickname to have on online forums than spencer11111?</p>

<p>Because, if it is, frankly spencer, youre a disgrace.</p>

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<p>spencer should also apologize to those Koreans on CC for degrading Seoul National.</p>

<p>World perspective indeed. I hope you get a lot of it at Imperial since you seem to lack so much of it.</p>

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<p>Spencer,</p>

<p>Perhaps I should further illustrate what having an UNDERGRAD school gives you. </p>

<p>1) A fact is that Dartmouth is much richer than Columbia, Cal, Brown, Penn, Duke, Cornell, etc on a per-student basis. The fact that a great majority of this endowment is directed towards undergrad exclusive facilities and research gives it a further boost. It has almost quadruple per student as Cal, double per student vs. Penn and Cornell, and significantly exceeds Brown and Columbia.</p>

<p>2) Dartmouth advising is stronger than most Ivies outside of Princeton. According to COHE, Dartmouth invests more in undergrad advising and grants than any Ivy.</p>

<p>First years get an advisor. After this there is a program called Presidential Scholars where sophomores work 1-1 with a professor in their major is preparation for thesis work. Those choosing to begin thesis work junior year can take a reading course in most majors, which is also 1-1. Thesis work is also 1-1 but since its likely your professor is only advising you (and has no grad students) once again the focus and access is incredible.</p>

<p>In fact the whole administration is much friendlier and open. Go to Columbia and try to change a class. You go to Kent hall which feels like the DMV, only to get a rude bureacratic response from the employee. Go to the Dartmouth office (it feels like a small home) and the registrar herself will meet with you in most cases. Totally different feeling.</p>

<p>3) Exclusive undergrad grants for thesis research exist in numerous departments, for example the Clare Goodman Grant for Anthropology funds up to 10K for thesis research. Most course areas have grants and funded work, another example is engineering with its intro to engineering class where funded teams build a product. Some of these products have gone on to receive angel and venture funding, all brokered by the engineering department. The Thayer Grants throw money for community service 3-month terms, and anyone in good academic standing is likely to get fully funded.</p>

<p>4) Another example of undergrad focus is study abroad.</p>

<p>Dartmouth splits its programs into two areas 1) language study abroad and 2) study abroad relevant to your major. The language trips begin with intense course instruction in Hanover which encompasses class and "drill," where every morning or afternoon you are in a quick response speaking class. Its incredible for learning how to speak before you leave for a term abroad.</p>

<p>Majors also almost all have "FSP"s which teach major related classes. Examples are the Music FSP in London, the anthro FSP in New Zealand, the philosophy FSP in Edinburgh, the Environmental Studies FSP in Africa, etc.</p>

<p>Dartmouth only led programs have numerous benefits, such as a HUGE budget for outside trips and cultural excursions. Not only is a Dartmouth professor advising you and living with you the entire time (a tremendous comfort to have someone from your school managing the trip), every Saturday you go on a totally paid-for trip to museums, monasteries and cathedrals, places of cultural importance, etc. Also, there is a one week trip to another city that many students also go on. On the FSPs it might be trips into the bush in Africa, trips to the opera for music, etc. Once again, its all Dartmouth students with a professor plus local faculty.</p>

<p>When it comes to personal development, Dartmouth wins. Dartmouth invests in undergrads to a degree that its counterparts do not. This is why its graduates get into top grad schools at a higher rate than its peers, why alumni are so loyal (50% donate), and why so many recruiters come to campus. You'll never experience this at Cal, or even Cornell for that matter.</p>

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<p>man, ^ sounds totally cool. I'm checking out Dartmouth's study abroad programs right now.</p>

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<p>Dartmouth is the ****. Case closed.</p>

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You strongly suspect many things without good evidence or citations.</p>

<p>Too opinionated.</p>

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I LOL! :D</p>

<p>You committed two technical mistakes.
1. You typed Big Brother 1984 instead of "Big Brother 1984" for the normal search on the google website, thereby search all the sites that have Big, Brother and 1984.
2. What you are searching is the number of websites. When I was using **Google Treads<a href="not%20normal%20search">/b</a>, I was finding the no. of searches for that particular term by people on the internet using Google. So if "Imperial College" has a higher search rate than "Dartmouth College" on Google Treads, that means more people keyed in "Imperial College" and clicked [search] than they do with the term "Dartmouth College". People would only search that particular term if they show interest, if they are aware of it, and if they have good reasons to. This is how the popularity is measured. If you find this idea unacceptable, then be gone with you, because you are indirectly ridiculing the Googlers for developing this system.</p>

<p>As for Big Brother 1984 vs. spencer11111</p>

<p><a href="http://www.google.com/trends?q=Big+Brother+1984%2C+spencer11111&ctab=0%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.google.com/trends?q=Big+Brother+1984%2C+spencer11111&ctab=0&lt;/a>
(Note for Google tread you don't need to specify the " ", unlike normal searches. Separate exact terms using commas.)
No data available: Insufficient volume to draw conclusion, as expected.</p>

<p>As for: Dartmouth College, Harvard University, Duke University, Cambridge University, Cornell University
<a href="http://www.google.com/trends?q=Dartmouth+College%2C+Harvard+University%2C+Duke+University%2C+Cambridge+University%2C+Cornell+University&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.google.com/trends?q=Dartmouth+College%2C+Harvard+University%2C+Duke+University%2C+Cambridge+University%2C+Cornell+University&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Dartmouth is a clear loser to Harvard, Duke, Cambridge and Cornell. :D</p>

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You strongly suspect many things without good evidence or citations.

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Look, the problem is we're not talking about scientific facts but about a university's prestige and educational excellence. These are things that are hard to come by with scientific facts. Rankings are one way, yes, but it's commonly agreed that rankings only you give you a broad picture. That said, you were right to question Dartmouth's relatively bad standing in international rankings as opposed to national rankings. However, several people already explained this significant difference. So that's for the rankings. I'm not sure what else you want to hear. Because if you look beside the rankings, you're leaving the grounds of (questionable) scientific "facts". Prestige has a lot to do with "unscientific" hearsay.</p>

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<p>Extremely good post!! Wow! Sounds amazing!</p>

<p>Ya I guess the general impression is that compare to bigger research intensive universities, education at Dartmouth has a more personal touch to it. So it is no mass undergrad producing machine.</p>

<p>Nice post indeed!</p>

<p>PS: I like the advising part, as well as the thesis.</p>

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<p>"Go compare a banana to an orange. Period"</p>

<p>That about sums up this whole crazy thread.</p>

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Now don't put words into my mouth. I didn't talk ill about SNU, but merely refuting your crappy argument that because SNU is highly esteemed within South Korea, it should be a top university in the world. </p>

<p>A degree from SNU would not serve you as well as a degree from Oxbridge in most places around the world. Facts are facts and they cannot be denied. If employment is the deciding factor of university, then you should place Fudan, the top university in Shanghai, as the top university as well. Everyone knows China is hot, and Shanghai is the hottest city in China. Where would you be better off than right at the centre of action, establish all the networks and contacts necessary to conquer this giant?</p>

<p>World perspective indeed. I hope you get a lot of it at Dartmouth since you seem to lack so much of it.</p>