<p>Besides, when it comes to international name recognition, Oxford and Cambridge still reign.</p>
<p>Princeton IS still pretty well known in China. The only reason it's less well known than some schools like HY-MIT-Stanford-Columbia-or even Cornell is because Princeton doesn't have Medical, Business, Law schools. HY is -- enough said. Stanford is pretty big, lot's of Asians. MIT is very tech oriented- chinese ppl love it. Columbia has the 2nd most Nobel laureates in the world after Cambridge and it has great research going lately. Cornell is just big as hell and lots of Asians. Heck even Berkeley carries a big name in China.</p>
<p>And to the OP... Is Harvard worth it? I don't think there's anything you can do from graduating Harvard that you can't do from any TOP tiered schools (Ivy + MIT+ Stanford) given that you <em>may</em> have to work marginally harder. Personally, I know Harvard and Wharton and Cornell and Princeton's environments are ultra-cutthroat and not exactly conducive to either your GPA or mental health in general. Yale, Penn CAS, Dartmouth, Columbia, and of course Brown on the other hand are relatively laid back. I'd choose Yale and Columbia over Harvard personally. </p>
<p>But like I said, it's what you do in college that matters over the name----> and if you don't believe me go google the ubiquitous study by a Princeton professor that showed the average Ivy grad and the average StateU kid who turned down an Ivy make the same $$$ 15 years down the line. Draw your own conclusions from that.</p>
<p>You guys spend a lot of energy debating a choice you don't yet have. Wait until you get admitted to both schools, <em>then</em> you can fret about which one to choose.</p>
<p>That would be boring. Much better to fret now!</p>
<p>BurnThis - Agreed. Sorry for getting defensive!</p>
<p>An education is what you make of it, reguardless of where you go to school. (Granted, there is a difference between an Ivy league and a community college.) However, my interveiwer told me this - </p>
<p>He got into Yale and a couple of other Ivies, but ended up going to Yale because that's where he fit best. He went all four years, slid by in his classes, and didn't really do much with his time there. He has worked as a management authority in a factory for around the past 35 years - and says that he really regrets not taking advantage of the opportunities and educational potential that he had at Yale.</p>
<p>Each university is prestigious in different departments right? For example, if you are going into engineering, Cornell would give you better "name recognition" than Harvard or Yale. And if it's math, Harvard would give you better "recognition" than Yale?</p>
<p>No. Cornell Engineering is definitely better than harvard's- but i think you'd have a hard time convincing someone that's heard of both that Cornell is better than Harvard. But honestly... what is "recognition"? The majority of Harvard, or any Ivy, grads go on to live upper middle class lives. And for those that do SUCCEED financially, their success is something that enabled them to get INTO harvard as opposed to something they developed at harvard.</p>
<p>truazn8948532 </p>
<p>that's exactly what StuckatUofT said</p>
<p>no StuckatUofT said that if you are an engineering major... Cornell is more prestigious. I don't carewhat you major in--- Harvard is more prestigious (rightly or wrongly) than any other school in the world.</p>
<p>This is ridiculous. But while you're talking name recognition, I bet most people know the names of more pornstars than graduates from either of those schools. I wish I was just joking.</p>
<p>hmm
like
what i've heard is that out of the 8 ivy league schools
7 of them are like, more law/med/business... liberal arts oriented
and cornell is like, more engineering oriented
or something
correct me if i'm wrong</p>
<p>truazn - I am sure that all the graduates of Oxford from the 12th Century through the mid 17th century were as equally awed by their Harvard counterparts as you seem to be. Oh, wait, there weren't any Harvard graduates yet were there? Darn. Well I am sure you are right that Harvard is still more prestigious.</p>
<p>This thread should die an instant death and that would not be soon enough. Sheesh!</p>
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Last December my neighbor had been picking up my mail and noticed my son was getting a lot of college pamphlets. I said that should stop now that he was accepted to Yale. My neighbor said, "Yale? Where's that? I know Harvard's in Boston and Princeton's in New Jersey, but where's Yale?" So, yes, you may have to give up that #1 name recognition that Harvard has, but it's four years of your life so you better pick the school that is the best fit for you -- not the one your neighbor will best recognize!
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<p>haha. i HAD to laught at that. ridiculous.</p>
<p>I'm going to Columbia next year and I have no problem saying that Harvard's name recognition is pretty much set in stone. It's been popularized by media, entertainment, and the general american obsession with ranking things and finding a standard of achievement. However, I still maintain that there is practically negligible advantages Harvard can give you that you can't obtain from any other of the upper 4 ivies (HYPC)</p>
<p>I am in a bit of a predicament...Today I learned I am accepted by Cornell, Brown, Dartmouth, and.......Harvard and Yale. I need help!! What to do?</p>
<p>Pick one .</p>
<p>definitely go to cornell or brown</p>
<p>Lincolnshask: If finances are generally equal, visit them for their welcome programs, talk to current students and alums. Decide and then open up four slots at great schools. Congrats -- I was in your same sitauation (not as many as you though) -- I chose New Haven. </p>
<p>Good luck to you in your college endeavors -- whether you're a Big Red, a Bear, a Big Green, a Cantab or a Bulldog -- you're in for a fantastic four years.</p>
<p>Thanks T26</p>
<p>Brown's admission rate this year was 7.8 app vs 9.o for Harvard......GO BROWN!!!!!</p>