<p>I have to preface the question with the fact I grew up in Southern California, and when we were graduating high school, the CSU system was considered a fall back. Other than San Diego State and the Poly's, no one had a CSU school as their first choice. Honestly, no one that I knew or heard of. Now there were a number of very bright kids going to community college to get their AA taken care of, frequently for financial reasons, but no one was looking to the CSU's.
Now I understand that a long time has gone by, but are we REALLY to the point that bright kids doing pretty well in school (frankly I think anyone with a 3.0 is doing pretty well) can't get into the state schools that are intended to educate the masses?<br>
I mean my kid is in his Sophomore year, in honors and AP (though apparently the honors courses aren't weighted any more, just the AP's) with a 3.2 average. He's taken German at the community college. He's also got Aspergers, so has had to overcome alot, AND will shortly be an Eagle Scout.
From what's being said, any chance at a UC school is a stab in the dark, and even most CSU schools would be a challenge...am I right? Is it really that hard?</p>
<p>Hi Zoemakes5: </p>
<p>With the enormous budget cuts being proposed, no one knows with any certainty how the financial restrictions will impact all CA Schools? (I say ALL CA Schools, because what ever the outcome is for the UC system, the UC’s challeges will be passed along to the Cal State system, the Cal State systems hurdles will then be passed along to the Christian/non- Christian privates, and ultimately the CCs). Every SCHOOL in CA will feel some impact from this crisis. Most suspect that the flagship UCs; UCB and UCLA will be FINE (can’t imagine their taking too much of a blow from this crisis). Who knows about any of the other Schools? </p>
<p>No one knows just how all this is going to play out? No one. </p>
<p>The Christian/non Christain Privates…are becoming so much more popular (competitive) than in recent years, as children scramble to stay in CA/or relocate (from OOS) to attend College in California. BIG MESS !!! </p>
<p>Because your child is a sophomore, you’re somewhat at an advantage in so much that we’ll all know a little bit more about how the intitial budget crisis cuts impact THIS and NEXT year across all CA public campuses. </p>
<p>The Governor suggest that between $500,000.00 - 1 billion (per both the UC and CSU systems) is “projected” in cuts slated for the July 2011 proposal, as well as with another $500,000.00 anticipated for the CC system. Could be legitimate, maybe it will not be as severe? Only time will tell. The California legislature has a lot of work to do in order to try and minimize the potential impact of these cuts across all their public systems! </p>
<p>I am a child of the CSU system of the 70’s. Graduated. Nothing special, commuter School, certainly not worth the money they’re charging for OOS students nowadays. Back then, there was NOT A PROBLEM getting into ANY CSU school(s) (with the exception of the Polys and CSUSD). Entirely different story now. </p>
<p>Your son has over-come challenges, will have an Eagle Scout distinction for his resume, and manages good grades (Yes, unlike some CC contributors comments, I too feel that a 3.0 - 3.3 GPA is good) just my humble opinion. Check this site for the forum created by Parents who have children with 3.0 - 3.3 GPA’s - WONDERFUL outcomes in regards to their College choices. You might want to consider OOS when you begin to consider college choices…something to think about. </p>
<p>Check out the “Parents of Children with 3.0 - 3.3” forum. You’ve got a lot of time to see how this all begins to unfold. You’re VERY lucky in that regard. </p>
<p>MUCH continued success to you and yours !!!</p>
<p>Hi Zoemakes5: </p>
<p>With the enormous budget cuts being proposed, no one knows with any certainty how the financial restrictions will impact all CA Schools? (I say ALL CA Schools, because what ever the outcome is for the UC system, the UC’s challeges will be passed along to the Cal State system, the Cal State systems hurdles will then be passed along to the Christian/non- Christian privates, and ultimately the CCs). Every SCHOOL in CA will feel some impact from this crisis. Most suspect that the flagship UCs; UCB and UCLA will be FINE (can’t imagine their taking too much of a blow from this crisis). Who knows about any of the other Schools? </p>
<p>No one knows just how all this is going to play out? No one. </p>
<p>The Christian/non Christain Privates…are becoming so much more popular (competitive) than in recent years, as children scramble to stay in CA/or relocate (from OOS) to attend College in California. BIG MESS !!! </p>
<p>Because your child is a sophomore, you’re somewhat at an advantage in so much that we’ll all know a little bit more about how the intitial budget crisis cuts impact THIS and NEXT year across all CA public campuses. </p>
<p>The Governor suggest that between $500,000.00 - 1 billion (per both the UC and CSU systems) is “projected” in cuts slated for the July 2011 proposal, as well as with another $500,000.00 anticipated for the CC system. Could be legitimate, maybe it will not be as severe? Only time will tell. The California legislature has a lot of work to do in order to try and minimize the potential impact of these cuts across all their public systems! </p>
<p>I am a child of the CSU system of the 70’s. Graduated. Nothing special, commuter School, certainly not worth the money they’re charging for OOS students nowadays. Back then, there was NOT A PROBLEM getting into ANY CSU school(s) (with the exception of the Polys and CSUSD). Entirely different story now. </p>
<p>Your son has over-come challenges, will have an Eagle Scout distinction for his resume, and manages good grades (Yes, unlike some CC contributors comments, I too feel that a 3.0 - 3.3 GPA is good) just my humble opinion. Check this site for the forum created by Parents who have children with 3.0 - 3.3 GPA’s - WONDERFUL outcomes in regards to their College choices. You might want to consider OOS when you begin to consider college choices…something to think about. </p>
<p>Check out the “Parents of Children with 3.0 - 3.3” forum. You’ve got a lot of time to see how this all begins to unfold. You’re VERY lucky in that regard. </p>
<p>MUCH continued success to you and yours !!!</p>
<p>As an incoming freshman, I have to say that things have definitely changed a lot since you grew up. a 3.0 is nowhere near competitive, and at my high school, which is not even close to prestigious, saying that you’re going to UC with a 3.0 would get you scoffed at.</p>
<p>I have a 3.9 gpa, six AP classes, 2070 SAT, varsity captain of two sport teams, and I got rejected from every UC campus I applied to. My case is not unique, and many others at my high school who were more than qualified for UC were rejected. The person who was one rank off ELC, with a GPA of 4.2, got rejected from every UC as well, and has to go to community even though he is more than prepared for any of the UCs. I know several more people with 4.0+ gpas who do sports, volunteer, tutor, the whole works, who are going to community because no one accepted them. </p>
<p>I am going to Calpoly in the fall, even though (I’m about to sound very elitist here) I know that I am smart enough to survive at any UC, and that I deserve more than a state college, even if it is Calpoly. I will be the first person in my family to go to a state college, even though my academics were stronger than my family members. When my cousins went to high school not even ten years ago, they matriculated to UC Berkeley with less credentials than me.
In this day and age, anything that is below a 3.5 is automatic state or community college, I know maybe one person who got into a UC or private without a 3.5, and he is beyond charismatic, which probably won over the adcoms more than his academics.</p>
<p>@matark</p>
<p>I am curious, so you got denied from UCR, UCM, UCSC, but you got into Cal Poly?</p>
<p>Or are you saying you just didn’t get into Cal, UCLA, and UCSD?</p>
<p>Cal, UCLA, UCSD, UCD, UCI, UCSC.</p>
<p>To matark,</p>
<p>My sister and I are both from California. When we both applied for college couple of years ago, she decided to applied to the the UCs and Cal Poly SLO, and I applied to bunch of the east coast private universities and Ivies. Through looking at my experience and my sister’s, I can say with the funding cuts in education all over the US, ALL respectable (not only the top ones) universities have gotten SUPER competitive within the past few years. I actually assume that all the top kids from public universities are now shifting over to the private universities because of additional aids.</p>
<p>So it is no surprise that the CA universities admission process have gotten to be so brutal. With that said, my sister ended up going to Cal Poly SLO for architecture and loves it there. Given the top rank Cal Poly has in architecture, she actually chose Cal Poly SLO over USC, CAL, Cornell (not enough aid) and VT. She is an excellent artist/designer, but even for her it was a nail biter during the wait for a response from the schools. </p>
<p>Through some sort of divine intervention, I luckily ended up at Princeton, and also love my choice. But it was no walk in the park getting in. I studied my tail off since 7th grade and all the way through 12th. I am REALLY glad to be here, but I would not have freaked out if I ended up at a public CA universities like a Cal Poly or Cal. </p>
<p>I have visited my sister several times at Cal Poly, and actually found to school campus and student body to be really nice, and the academics to be outstanding. Not once did I feel like I was touring a podunk “state college”. </p>
<p>I think you are a bit overly pessimistic and harsh about your upcoming experience at Cal Poly. You need to cheer up. Other people on CC might find you very condescending by your tone and comments about Cal Poly being eariler. I have visited the UCs while applying for schools, I just don’t see a big difference between CP and the mid-tier UCs like UCD, UCI, UCSB. To be frank, UCD seems dull and without the beach (like CP), and UCI is sort of boring as hell too since everyone commutes. The only UCs that are head and shoulder above CP, from campus to undergraduate programs, are really Cal and UCLA, and may be UCSD (but depends on major).</p>
<p>I think if you carry that chip on the shoulder when you start at Cal Poly, you will have a hell of a time making friends. You are likely to offend a lot of your peer without knowing. Most people that attend Cal Poly also got into a lot of UCs (most commonly, UCD, UCI, UCSB) and chose to go there by CHOICE. If you carry that imaginary shame of going to a “state college” with you around campus, you will surely be quite socially isolated and would probably be detrimental to your academics. And if you think you can’t get over this resentment, why not just attend a junior college? It will be easier to transfer to Cal or UCLA from there. Going to CPSLO for you might not be the best choice. Also, my sister studies her butt off at Cal Poly, when not studying she is in her architecture studio working her tail off until 2 am. From watching her, I know it is a very academically rigorous university. It is by no means a place where you can slack and get great grades. If you think you can just blow everyone away with your IQ at CP, I would rethink that again. </p>
<p>I actually have no pity for you, not trying to be harsh, I think you are sort of greedy given how SUPER tough it is for everyone else applying for college this year. You can read about the mental anxiety so many students on this board have to go through just to get into a okay university, and Cal Poly is WAY more than okay. In fact, it is really good. You should really appreciate what you got, instead of bemoaning it. </p>
<p>The only thing I am actually surprise by is that you didn’t get into UCSC since it is one of the easiest UCs to get into, and much easier than Cal Poly. My sister told me it is grouped with UCR, and UCM. Perhaps if your dream is to attend a UC, I would skip CPSLO and kick butt at a junior college and then transfer to Cal.</p>
<p>^^ I’m giving your post a huge LIKE. My daughter is a freshman at Cal Poly SLO and absolutely loves it. She, too, turned down UCs and USC, as well as other good schools. For one thing, it’s more affordable for us. But, we also feel that she’s getting an awesome education at a school that generates tons of positive comments from past alums or parents of students, past and present. Yes, it’s in the CSU system, but it also seems to be in a category of its own, as well.</p>
<p>Does being an OOSter help your admission chances?</p>
<p>It will not hurt you like it would have a couple of years ago but with the huge reduction in state support of public higher education, California public universities see enrolling OOS students, who pay much higher tuition than California residents, as a valuable source of badly needed revenue. However, you have to understand that you will be paying private college level tuition for a public university and you should not expect much, if anything, in the way of financial aid from the universities or the state of California.</p>
<p>It’s weird to think that you need a 4.0+ to get into a “good” school. A 4.0 used to get you into a great school, but times have changed. I know wikipedia isn’t the best resource to use, but according to wiki the top 1/8 of graduating CA high school seniors should be accepted to at least 1 UC and the top 1/3 to a CSU. The standards are high.</p>
<p>3.0 isn’t good anymore. I’m sorry,but times have changed. CSUSB (San Bernardino, the “ghetto city”) accepted me but I was one of the 19% that got in. A 3.0 won’t cut it nowadays. It is harder to get into CSUs now because of budget cuts. We suffered a 12% tuition increase this year and next year, they just accepted a proposal for another 9% tuition increase. The standards are pretty high now. I mean I had a 3.6 and a SAT score of 1630, which is bad. With a 3.6 and SAT of 1630, only one UC (UCR) had even considered accepting me, but it was too expensive. UCs are expecting a 30% tuition increase next year, and they will get even more people out.</p>
<p>A 3.0 high school [GPA[/url</a>] in the [url=<a href=“Cal State Apply | CSU”>Freshman: Admission Requirements | CSU]a-g</a> course pattern](<a href=“Cal State Apply | CSU”>Cal State Apply | CSU) means that the California resident student is automatically [CSU</a> eligible](<a href=“Cal State Apply | CSU”>GPA Calculator | CSU), but does not necessarily mean admittance to any CSU.</p>
<p>Some CSUs and majors are [impacted[/url</a>], meaning that they require more than minimum CSU eligibility for admission. But other CSUs and their majors are not impacted, so that any CSU eligible student should be able to go to one of those CSUs.</p>
<p>For example, San Jose State is considered impacted. The [url=<a href=“Cal State Apply | CSU”>Cal State Apply | CSU]eligbility</a> index](<a href=“Cal State Apply | CSU”>Cal State Apply | CSU) required for freshman admission to each major in fall 2011 is shown [url=<a href=“http://info.sjsu.edu/web-dbgen/narr/admission/rec-1212.html]here[/url”>http://info.sjsu.edu/web-dbgen/narr/admission/rec-1212.html]here[/url</a>].</p>
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<p>That has been the California Master Plan target for decades. For what it is worth, about 1/3 of the age 25-29 population in the US has a bachelor’s degree, so the top 1/3 approximates the population that will eventually get a bachelor’s degree (although some who go to UC and CSU never complete a bachelor’s degree, while others who did worse in high school redeem themselves in community college, transfer to UC or CSU, and complete their bachelor’s degrees).</p>
<p>Admission to UC and CSU is getting more competitive because the rapid rise in costs of attendance and private schools is pushing more students to apply to in-state public schools (only a few private schools are very generous with financial aid, and most of them are out of reach academically for most high school graduates).</p>
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<p>Cal Poly SLO is good; you should not feel like you are getting a sub-par education there, at least for engineering. Note: if you applied for engineering at the UCs, be aware that engineering tends to be significantly more selective than overall at the UCs, although if you got rejected with a 3.9 GPA and 2070 SAT from UCSC, that seems strange.</p>
<p>Interesting thread…</p>
<p>My D was accepted to many schools out of California and applied to only in state to SFSU becasue she is starting as a freshman in the spring (SFSU is the only CA CSU or UC that actually accepts freshman in the spring)</p>
<p>I was born and raised in CA and am also of the age where all you had to do was apply to get into a CSU to be accepted. It was where you went if you could not get into to UCLA or Cal or a private university. We have been talking to people and when telling other adults that she is going to SFSU we have been somewhat making the “freshman in the spring” as an excuse for my daughter choosing to go there. The reality of it is, she loves San Francisco and she chose to go there over many other schools. We finally decided not to make excuses, she made a good decision and this is why…</p>
<p>She also got into out of state schools but the more we realistically looked at the cost…ie: University of Oregon at $40,000 for OSS tuition and room/board…SFSU was actually quite reasonable even with the tuition hikes. Can anyone really tell me that she would receive any worse an education at SFSU than at Arizona State, Washington State, Uni of Wash…and at more than double the cost? We really do not think so… She is aiming for grad school and does not want to have tens of thousands of $$ in loans once she graduates…and in this economy, I really cannot blame her. It was a good decision.</p>
<p>So for all of you slamming the CSU’s, I say get real!! I am proud of her choice, it may not be UCLA but with her 3.9 GPA she would never get in anyways…and that is the sad sate of affairs… for the competition to get into the top schools is absolutely ridiculous. Education is what you make of it and I truly believe that with a good head on your shoulders, a good work ethic and the desire to learn and do well…a fantastic education can be had at any CC, CSU or “low tier” UC.</p>
<p>Good luck to you all and if I am wrong in the long run, I hope my daughter forgives me!</p>
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<p>Actually, Berkeley does also, but it is the school’s choice to accept the applicant to start in the spring, not the student’s choice to apply for a spring start. It is likely that they do this because otherwise fall semester would have a larger enrollment than spring semester (i.e. they would have unused wasted capacity in the spring semester).</p>
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<p>ucbalumnus --From what I understand, some schools in CA will admit students who apply for Fall admission to the Spring semester, we know someone who is going to USC based upon this admission policy. We did not know the UC schools were doing this…but she was not eligible to apply for Fall because my D just graduated in September and didn’t know she was able to do this until June…past the deadline to apply.</p>