<p>No need to spend your time researching me to get a handle on this simple post. You are obviously a little over the top because someone is talking about accountability. Daily Princetonian said they decided NOT to discipline. If that was not the case they should not have said that. The only response you can give is to attack me personally. I have no interest as I said in Nava or the girl who slugged the nurse. The issue is accountability. The issue was in reference to a man who prosecuted prostitution rings relentlessly while using them something (he chose to keep private-can't blame him). I would have dropped this about 10 postings ago if your little band had simply responded without calling me a village idiot or troll or jealous of Princeton blah blah. Accountability is all I have referred to on this post. I have privately responded to emails in both positive and negative ways depending on the question. My preference by the way is number one Stanford, then Dartmouth, Columbia, Yale, MIT, Cal Tech and UC Berkeley all good schools all different. Fascinating how you became so hostile when confronted with facts from the Daily Princetonian. Instead of reading my meager posts read your school paper. By the way, just curious, where do you get the inside double secret information privately held on these two students??</p>
<p>I searched the Prince and didn't see the article where it was stated that Nava was not disciplined. Link me please, because either you misread or I missed something.</p>
<p>The reason I call you a troll is because on 3 different forums (here, Harvard, and on the Parents Cafe) you made comments in a similar vein - that somehow Spitzer's indiscretions reflected a larger culture of hypocrisy and arrogance at Princeton. When pressed, you have given two examples of students who did very stupid things. You got your facts wrong on both counts.</p>
<p>First, Nava was declined to be charged by the Township due to personal issues (suggesting a possible underlying mental health problem), and also due to his ongoing discipline by the university. He has at the very least been forced to withdraw for a year, probably expelled; most people here are unclear, and to be frank most don't care. The Prince never reported, that I can see, that Nava was let off the hook by the university. So you're wrong on that count.</p>
<p>On a side note, I find your harping on him a little disgusting, to be honest. I think what he did was horrible, demeaning to real victims of crime, and truly stupid, and that he should be punished. But I also think that he has some underlying mental issues that he needs therapy and treatment for, as is evidenced by the repetition of incidents, and I think that harping on him repeatedly in a public forum is unproductive and inappropriate.</p>
<p>Second, you have the girl who assaulted the nurse. Again, I find that act disgusting, but I don't see what you're complaining about. The incident occurred off-campus, and while I'm sure she has been disciplined as a result, I see no compelling reason for Princeton to tack expulsion on to her already-existing criminal charge. However, from speaking to people on campus, certain actions were taken (which I will not repeat here to respect her privacy); the university most assuredly did something. That they didn't tell you is reflective of the fact that it's not your business.</p>
<p>Now, this is the reason I call you and will continue to call you a troll. You contrived a couple of examples to support your pre-existing notion that Princeton students are arrogant and hypocritical, something you have no basis for thinking, and then spread that crap all over the forums here. That is the exact definition of a troll. We already know you don't like Princeton, and you have made that abundantly clear. What you're doing now is just in bad taste - to use a very extreme (but applicable) example, would you consider it acceptable debate to go to the Virginia Tech board and say that their students must be murderous and violent because of the tragedy that occurred there? I wouldn't - and not the least because it's simply not factual - just like this opinion of yours is not factual. We already know your pre-existing biases. You're welcome to them; everyone has some. What makes it trolling is when you continue spreading them everywhere and inciting discussions that simply cannot be productive.</p>
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<p>Daily Princetonian said they decided NOT to discipline. . . . Fascinating how you became so hostile when confronted with facts from the Daily Princetonian.
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<p>As suggested by 1of42, anyone who wishes may search the archives of the paper to confirm that no such statements have appeared there. The Daily Princetonian reported that local law enforcement officials in Princeton had decided not to bring charges against Nava. Absolutely nothing has been printed about what actions the University took. Federal law protects student privacy and significantly limits what universities may make public, including matters related to discipline. I think it is safe to assume that Nava has left Princeton whether of his own accord or as ordered by the University.</p>
<p>Finally, 1of42s analysis of this posters posting history is perfectly accurate. Again, anyone wishing to use the search feature on CC may verify this.</p>
<p>As Ive said before, it seems that these kinds of posters always appear about this time of year on the Princeton board, just prior to admission decisions being made. This particular poster was relatively quiet until just recently when the level of invective has increased dramatically.</p>
<p>GR the way to win this one is not to respond with the arrogance that he is criticizing the institution of possessing.</p>
<p>I wholeheartedly agree with your first post Pton grad. I think that there is a certain culture of superiority that plagues a lot of the top schools that is certainly worth keeping in mind if you attend one of these institutions. People are undoubtedly affected by who they meet and the values they learn through all of their sources of socialization, including peers and education. As a university, Princeton and Harvard Law provided Eliot's peers and education for seven years of his life. Princeton and HLS aren't to blame for his behavior, but you could argue that something failed to happen at Princeton or Harvard Law that could have potentially prevented this behavior.</p>
<p>The only way to solve this controversy is to call upon the services of that other great Princetonian who has been an apostle of peace in our time: Donny Rumsfeld whose Princetonian arrogance cost us thousands of lives and billions of dollars in a poorly managed adventure. Woodrow Wilson must be turning in his grave.</p>
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The only way to solve this controversy is to call upon the services of that other great Princetonian who has been an apostle of peace in our time: Donny Rumsfeld whose Princetonian arrogance cost us thousands of lives and billions of dollars in a poorly managed adventure. Woodrow Wilson must be turning in his grave.
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<p>See, this is the kind of crap that makes me call you a troll. His "Princetonian arrogance"? Why not just arrogance?</p>
<p>What about Dick Cheney and GWB's Yale arrogance? What about Condoleezza Rice's Stanford arrogance?</p>
<p>Oh, I forgot, you don't have an agenda regarding those schools so you don't mention them. See what I mean by troll, everyone?</p>
<p>Other schools may have their questionable graduates but Princeton is number 1.</p>
<p>That is the most transparently bull***** answer for trolling I've ever seen anyone give. Come off it.</p>
<p>wow, anti-princeton sentiment is strong huh? Do the haters not realize that a Bush (see: inept leader on a far larger scale than any NY governor) has gone to Harvard as well as Yale?</p>