<p>Anyone Know Anything About Eliot Spitzer Someone Said He Has Not Denied Being A " Client" with edgy preferences?</p>
<p>yep, CC people have insider information on scandals like that.
just a bit of sarcasm while i impatiently await my decision. no offense intended.</p>
<p>I do know that capitalizing every word in a post makes you look pretty dumb...</p>
<p>Other than that, how exactly is this relevant to anything? Obviously no one here has any info, and if they did they wouldn't say anything, so other than trying to get some digs at Princeton (which you are failing at), what are you trying to say here?</p>
<p>Yes, we know all about the scandal, my question was why it is relevant to Princeton? Other, of course, than your obvious agenda of trolling, which was made all too clear on the thread you also started on the Harvard forum.</p>
<p>Well, what a Greek-style tragedy. Here was a man of tremendous political prominence and potential who was brought down by his own flaws. I am sorry for his family and for his state (that will probably lose a truly effective crusader in a place where much needs to be reformed) but not for him. As others have posted, and as I agree, these were personal choices that rose to the level of almost unimaginable hypocrisy. He has destroyed himself.</p>
<p>On the issue of how this reflects on Princeton, I would also agree with others in answering very little. </p>
<p>On the other hand it is inevitable that when someone so prominent who has achieved so much then behaves so badly, those institutions (in this case Princeton and Harvard Law School) with which that individual is affiliated will suffer somewhat by the association. After all, both institutions claim to help mold their graduates for leadership. When that leadership is shown to be hollow it is clear that, in some sense, those institutions have failed. If places like Princeton and Harvard Law School take justifiable pride in and partial credit for the successes and public contributions of their graduates, so must they be somewhat humbled by the failings of those graduates.</p>
<p>Now, its certainly easy to find well-publicized cases of bad and even criminal behavior on the part of graduates of all of these prominent schools, but that doesnt lessen the fact that this is a sad day for the Princeton family. Coffeenchicorys attacks on Princeton and Harvard are the worst sort of behavior sometimes seen on CC and dont deserve a direct response. However, it would be hypocritical of supporters of these schools (including me) to ignore these events or to completely disassociate the school from Spitzer while regularly posting stories of the achievements and contributions of prominent graduates of our alma maters.</p>
<p>He WISHES he was client #9. From what the girls said, he was only client # 5.5.</p>
<p>"However, it would be hypocritical of supporters of these schools (including me) to ignore these events or to completely disassociate the school from Spitzer while regularly posting stories of the achievements and contributions of prominent graduates of our alma maters."
Thank you PtonGrad2000 you hit the nail on the head. Spitzer was a pit bull, he held himself out as being above the law. There have been several incidents this past year where students at Princeton have slid past the law. Perhaps Princeton should reassess a culture that says you will not be punished as others would be punished, because we protect our own. One day these students grow up to be Eliot Spitzer- great wealth, great power and great arrogance. I am not a troll for saying any of this. To call me a troll is arrogant. Someone else started a thread about this on the Harvard board.</p>
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<p>Hahahahahahaha.</p>
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<p>I'm glad to see that your talent for drawing breathtakingly inane over-generalizations is alive and well. Thank you for giving the rest of us renewed confidence in our intellectual superiority!</p>
<p>BOTH GOT OFF-ON CAMPUS AND OFF CAMPUS THOUGH GUILTY
YOU RESTORE MY CONFIDENCE IN YOUR ARROGANCE NOT YOUR INTELLECTUAL SUPERIORITY! </p>
<p>Princeton Student Admits Faking Attack/ The Times </p>
<p>By WINNIE HU
Published: December 18, 2007
A Princeton University junior who claimed to have been beaten by two men in black ski caps for his conservative views admitted on Monday that he made up the attack, according to Princeton Township police officials.</p>
<p>Francisco Nava, 23, told police that he was attacked on Friday evening, two days after he and three other students belonging to a conservative group, the Anscombe Society, had received threatening e-mail messages, according to the university. The society opposes premarital sex and advocates for a return to more traditional morality in society. A politics professor who serves as an unofficial adviser to the group, Robert P. George, also received e-mail threats.</p>
<p>Mr. Nava initially told police that one of the men approached him a few miles away from campus and asked him to go with him to help someone who was hurt. Mr. Nava said that when he walked toward the man, he was grabbed by a second man and pinned against a brick wall in a field. He said that both men hit him in the face before running away.</p>
<p>To Coffee: In regards to your above post, I'd like for you to show me a university that doesn't have crime; I'm sure hundreds, if not thousands, of college students have gotten in trouble somehow and have cooperated with the police / accepted a plea bargain in order to avoid charges.</p>
<p>To everyone else reading this post: Never argue with an idiot. He'll drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.</p>
<p>I feel sorry for Mr. Nava. It's not something to be made fun of and say "oh he's a criminal", he needs real psychological help. Shame on you OP for posting that.</p>
<p>Yes, qwertulen, all too true. It's such a shame that idiots like coffeenchicory still exist and find it necessary to post in places just to cause trouble and annoyance.</p>
<p>Probably it's just jealousy, knowing that such people likely are just posting such crap because they could never get into any of the places they deride in the first place.</p>
<p>Mr Nava broke the law. He was not punished at Princeton not even a slap on the wrist. A female Princestonian student slugged a nurse in the er and she was drinking underage. That is called at least assault.(The nurse was not impressed I am sure). No punishment. Princeton supports a system that tells its sanctimonious family that anything goes "unpunished". </p>
<p>No need to attack me personally just because the orange bubble is being touched by a little outside reality. There is no hope for any of you if you cannot understand that there is something peculiar about the way you all see yourselves. It is very easy to get into Princeton 1 of 42 just ask Mr Frist or the very many who $glide$ in. It is not my goal to feel grateful for 4 years to rub elbows with the lucky sperm club. They are useless and those who work hard carry their load in life- to respond to your comment about jealousy. LOL</p>
<p>PS. If you'd prefer a source from a Princetonian who might become the next First Lady read Michelle Obamas senior thesis about the two worlds at Princeton - Rich and other!</p>
<p>Eliot Spitzer, not shocked. Candidate and Princeton grad Ralph Nader- NOW I'd be shocked!
Same for other Princeton grads who wanted to be President- Adlai Stevenson, Norman Thomas, Bill Bradley and Steve Forbes.</p>
<p>And of course one who was President, Woodrow Wilson.</p>
<p>coffeenchicory1: Nava was expelled, last I checked... what kind of punishment did you have in mind? Draw-and-quartering?</p>
<p>As for the female student, citation please, I hadn't heard about the incident and would love to learn more.</p>
<p>The orange bubble being touched by a bit of outside reality? If that's what you think you are, you are certainly delusional. None of us here in the "orange bubble" ever entertained the illusion that everyone at Princeton is necessarily perfect, or that Princeton grads are uniformly moral and unflappable to a one. If you think we do (you must, to be the "reality" you speak of) then you're the one who needs some reality.</p>
<p>In terms of how easy it is to get in to Princeton, yes, it's very easy for those with millions to donate. And I don't have any problem with that. Each one of those kids (there's maybe 10 per grade) supports hundreds of other students with the money their families donate. If we didn't let in any of them, we'd be worse off as a university for it. I think the fact that you complain about it reflects the fact that you probably couldn't get in to Princeton with merit or money. Shame, that.</p>
<p>My new favorite saying, which a friend sent me today:
"Before the Internet, the village idiot stayed in his own village."</p>
<p>1 of 42 if you are interested please read the Daily Princetonian and you will find information about Nava who was not expelled. The drunken female student who had so little respect for a mere working class nurse, who was trying to help her, that she punched her in the face, was also written about in the DP and the local newspaper- no punishment. Cover up. By the way Mr Nava according to the Daily Princetonian pulled the same stunt at Groton. He was accepted to Princeton anyway. And he pulled the stunt with a few quirky variations again at Princeton and one of your professors discussed that in the article. Nava was not punished at Princeton- In fact the first time he was rewarded with acceptance by your admissions office! Would love to know what that cost!! 2 questions that might cross someones mind would be - Do you think he will go for a third stunt outside the Princetonian gates- on a job perhaps- or at grad school? Do you think the drunken female Princetonian who slugged the nurse might be better served going into rehab?
Finally it might be helpful for all of you to drop the arrogance and personal attacks it does not serve you well or the image of the school. Calling me a villiage idiot might make you feel better but my point is a good one- two sets of rules do not teach anyone anything no matter how much money the school makes to help the poor enter the divided gates. At least Eliot Spitzer had the good sense today of referring to the standards he sternly imposed on others. He went on to say that he expected the same set of legal standards for himself. Unfortunately he will probably get off with a fine (that is nothng for him) and his family has suffered more humiliation than anyone deserves. Hopefully he seeks the therapy he needs for sex addiction ( 10 yrs of hookers at 5k each visit). His three daughters and wife must be devastated. Remember he was prosecuting prostitution rings while enjoying them and that double standard is the arrogance I speak of... its ugly. And I find that attitude and behavior repulsive. Please dont flatter yourself going to Princeton is only a huge deal in your mind. There are other schools, other worlds and other perspectives that matter to many many people outside Princeton, NJ. LOL</p>
<p>Paragraphs are available for a reason, coffee.</p>
<p>You know, coffee, sometimes you even get ahead of yourself. And by that, I mean that your incessant need to find every fault you can with Princeton causes you to say entirely inaccurate things. And by that, I mean you need to go find somewhere else to troll - maybe back to your own village...</p>
<p>Anyways, it is unclear what happened to Nava, because his disciplinary outcome is private, by law. The last article about him was on January 18th, and at that point the township had decided not to charge him, and it was still assumed that he would be expelled, the disciplinary process having just resumed after a hiatus over Winter break. Nothing, again, has been published since then. Because of your deep-rooted need to find every fault with Princeton, you assume that means Princeton executed a coverup and didn't punish him. If you knew anything, you would know that all it means is that Princeton kept quiet about what was done to him, as is required - by law. From asking others on campus, it appears he has been expelled, though much is hearsay because, again, the university must keep his discipline private.</p>
<p>Now, Nava did commit the same kind of thing at Groton. But he did so after acceptance, and was required to defer a year and receive counseling (at the time it was thought that he had a mental breakdown which led to the actions he took). I don't see a problem with Princeton's actions in that case. Obviously he turned out more messed up than anyone could've predicted, but that's not the fault of Princeton. Getting ahead of yourself again, you fail to get the facts right again in your rush to deride Princeton.</p>
<p>As for Bendele, the junior who assaulted a nurse drunkenly, she was charged with felony assault by the Borough, and once again, her disciplinary process has been kept quiet by the university out of respect for her privacy. You may think this shows arrogance and elitism (you'd be wrong), but I see no good reason why the university should make a public example of either of these students; they will get their punishment, and that is frankly all you need to know - it is absolutely none of your business what that punishment is. Again, there are also legal issues relating to disclosure of disciplinary actions.</p>
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Remember he was prosecuting prostitution rings while enjoying them and that double standard is the arrogance I speak of... its ugly. And I find that attitude and behavior repulsive. Please dont flatter yourself going to Princeton is only a huge deal in your mind. There are other schools, other worlds and other perspectives that matter to many many people outside Princeton, NJ. LOL
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<p>Yes, I agree, it is repulsive. Now what does it have to do with Princeton?</p>
<p>Look, first, lots of people (at least the 10,000+ applicants we get every year) seem to think Princeton is a decently big deal. I don't harbor any misconceptions though - this is just another school. It's a very good school, but there are lots of very good schools.</p>
<p>You are the one whose perspective appears amazingly skewed towards fixation on Princeton. I cannot think of any other reason for your consistent habit of pouncing on any perceived fault remotely linked to the university and posting about it ad nauseam here. Look, you say people don't care. Fine: walk the walk. Stop trolling this board, and go do something productive with your time. Because when I read your post history, 20% of it (at the beginning of your posts) is MIT-related, and then the later 80% of your posts are trolling on these or the Harvard boards. You have yet to post a single productive thing in any discussion not related to some fault you think you can find. Really, if you don't care about Princeton, go away. You're not improving any of our lives with your incessant nattering, so unless you're really that obsessed, why don't you just go?</p>
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There have been several incidents this past year where students at Princeton have slid past the law. Perhaps Princeton should reassess a culture that says you will not be punished as others would be punished, because we protect our own. One day these students grow up to be Eliot Spitzer- great wealth, great power and great arrogance. I am not a troll for saying any of this. To call me a troll is arrogant. Someone else started a thread about this on the Harvard board.
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<p>I only just noticed this now. GR Elton said it well. Good to see you're still capable of making absurd generalizations. It's almost comforting knowing that some things in this world remain constant, like certain absurd trolls.</p>
<p>And by the way, my calling you a troll is not based on this thread alone. It is because of your posts, the vast majority are trolling posts. In the last 15 or so posts of yours, exactly 3 did not involve you denigrating Princeton in some way. If you were one of the many posters who posts about a variety of things, I could see your opinion that Princeton is some horrible place coming through occasionally, but so far it's ALL you post about. If you're not a troll, prove me wrong: go find something other than Princeton's horrible failings to post about.</p>