Is it worth going to Tulane vs the University of California System?

My daughter was very impressed with the presentation given by Tulane’s admission officer who visited her high school and she is considering Tulane as an option.

We are from the San Francisco Bay Area and the thought of our daughter going to the south for an education concern us. Especially when we think that the University of California System may be the best public University in the world.

Is Tulane a progressive entity? And how does the conservative, narrow mind of the southern society, and the bigotry of the south affect this institution?

Will Tulane be as good of undergraduate degree as a Degree from the University of California at Davis or UCLA?

Will it be worth the expense of going to New Orleans (Tulane) vs. staying in California worth it?

@jototo

You ask a lot of good questions, although your view of the south is a little bit outdated. But that is understandable given the slanted publicity of the press. Just as an aside, I have lived about 1/3 of my life in the south, 1/3 in the north, and 1/3 in middle border states. My experience was that when it comes to race and tolerance of others, people are people, and that there are just as many narrow-minded bigots in each area, just as there are about an equal number of progressive, fair minded people in each area, and that these days the latter far outweigh the former. The former are just more spectacular in their ignorance, and the South has the burden of history that makes it an excellent story for the press. I say all this for a few reasons that actually relate to your question. New Orleans has never really been like the rest of the South. Look up the history of the Treme neighborhood, for example. It is a very unique city since before the founding of the United States. Of course I am not trying to paste over its racial issues from long ago, but that was just what it was, long ago.

Now to really get to your question (thank you for putting up with my little partial detour), Tulane itself is not a particularly southern school in its character, being private and having a student population that draws less than half from the south. In fact, the only southern state in the top 5 of where Tulane students come from is Louisiana. Otherwise you have NY, California (yes, Tulane has become a very hot school throughout California, especially I think in the LA and SF areas), IL, and I think TX is next. I guess it is up to you if you want to call TX “southern”. Tulane is very conscious of the need to keep expanding the enrollment of people of color. They work closely with the Posse Foundation, especially the Los Angeles branch, and similar groups. Like a lot of private universities, there remains an imbalance. Tulane also does not draw as much from the Asian population as some other schools, perhaps because of the more limited engineering offerings compared to some, and of course also due to the local demographics as compared to the UC schools. I think one can say the same about the Hispanic population to some degree, as compared to TX and FL. So Tulane has some work to do in that area and they know it as far as increasing minority enrollment.

However, that shouldn’t be taken to mean that Tulane is not extremely progressive when it comes to treating all as equals. Again, like any school of 7000 undergrads or so, you will have a few idiots that have more narrow views regarding race. But you will have that at any school, I don’t care how progressive it appears. Tulane is certainly trying to be active in dealing with these issues, and recent events elsewhere no doubt spurs that on. But the vast majority of students are extremely tuned into the idea of everyone working together to make a better world, it is one of the signature themes of getting a Tulane education. 2 full semester courses of community learning and assisting are required, and many students go beyond that. I will also add that Tulane is one of the most LGBT friendly schools there is, and I think that openness just naturally carries over to most aspects of viewing your fellow students and all people. I don’t mean to make it sound like it is Utopia in these aspects, of course there are some of the same problems that are perpetuated in society in general. But I see a true desire among most Tulane students to work past all that and reach new or deeper understandings.

As far as comparing it to UCD, UCB and UCLA, I would say that Tulane is probably more well known than the first, and less known than the last two. But of course Berkeley and UCLA are two of the most famous universities in the world. I think what it really comes down to is what kind of educational experience your D is looking for. UCB and UCLA are huge, of course, and we all know some of the issues throughout the UC system in terms of cutbacks. class sizes, finishing late because you cannot get required classes when you need them, etc. But they have amazing resources and a lot to offer of course. UCD is different than all of them, being rural and for a long time focused mainly on agricultural majors. The others are all urban, so…

Is the expense worth it? That is a very personal question. If you are worth $20 million, then it is probably a moot point. If you are solidly middle class, it is a very big question indeed. Value is not an absolute, but it is relative to your means and how much what Tulane offers as compared to these other schools means to you and your D, especially your D. If you/she would have to take on a lot of debt in order to attend Tulane, then I would say almost certainly it is not worth it. If the debt after 4 years would be none, or relatively small, then as I say only you and she can decide how those things balance out. I can only say that for me Tulane was an amazing experience that completely changed my life, and while some of these life-changing events would have probably happened at most schools, even more of them I think would not have. My D, who attended Tulane 35 years later, also found it to be a wonderful place to go to school and is very glad she selected it over several others, but she does not have quite the extreme feeling I do. That is not surprising, she had far more college-like experiences before going than I had by a long shot. In fact, she had a lot and I had none. Even so, now that she is at Stanford and after meeting many people from dozens of other schools and countries, both at Stanford and while working with the Department of State, she agrees that Tulane offers some truly unique aspects to how they approach an undergraduate education, that it is an excellent education in the traditional ways as well, and that NOLA is one of the most unique places to get that education.

Well, who knew I was going to write a book??? (:expressionless: Chew on that and see what you think, and please come back with any thoughts or more questions. There are many on this forum from all over the country and I think you can get various perspectives.

@fallenchemist Thanks for that insight! I am currently debating that subject as well having been accepted to Tulane with the deadline for the UCs approaching.

@fallenchemist If I had read your response earlier (two months ago), I would have encouraged my DD to apply to Tulane. Alas, I (we) feel she’s applying to too many schools (10) already.

You must be very proud of your DD.

@QuintoSol

As those who read this forum regularly and/or follow my posts know, I am very proud of my D. And while I don’t shy away from admitting there is fatherly bragging involved, I try to make sure I am always illustrating a point about how Tulane works or that Tulane graduates can be as successful as anyone. In her case, she was accepted to several universities that are more selective (and much higher ranked) than Tulane, including a couple of Ivies. But the price difference was enormous (she won the full tuition DHS award), and we are not in the position where that issue was moot by a long shot. Plus Tulane was one of her two favorites, the Ivies not really exciting her all that much. The other was WUSTL, FYI.

During her time at Tulane, just to list a few things that she found really great:

  • []Forged some close ties with faculty members that she really enjoyed
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    ]New Orleans, including the food of course, but also the music, theater, festivals and in general, the weather
    []Was able to win a year studying in Beijing fully paid for by the Chinese government. This had the advantages of 1) her being able to attend a top school there more like a native Chinese student would instead of being segregated with the study abroad groups; and 2) her being able to keep her Tulane scholarship for an extra year.
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    ]Was active and a leader in a couple of outside activities at Tulane
    []She has interned at the Department of State two summers, one in DC and one in Taiwan. Those are extremely competitive, and she got the distinct impression from her interviewer that her service learning project of working with a newspaper geared towards helping the homeless was a significant differentiating factor
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    ]She ended up getting accepted to every grad school to which she applied, including Harvard, Columbia, Princeton and Berkeley. She chose Stanford on a full cost scholarship. The particular point of that is to answer the oft asked question if Tulane students get into top grad/law/med schools. If they do the work, they get in, and Tulane’s track record in all those areas is very strong.

I think it sums up that the focus on undergrads at Tulane, in contrast to some other highly regarded schools, plus the interesting location just makes for a great experience for those that can take advantage of it.

You know, regular decision applications are not due until January 15, and it is a free application. Hint, hint.

While Tulane is physically located in the deep south, it really doesn’t look and feel much like what you’d think a stereotypical “southern” university would be. Similar to other private schools located in the south like maybe Emory or Duke.

Certainly not really “southern” as compared to a big state school in the south (one of which I attended). Only 12% or so of the kids are from LA. After that, the top states that kids come from are NY, IL, CA, NJ, TX, FL. My senior kid’s roommates, for example, are from MD, CA (Bay area), NY, IL and one from LA. I hear surprisingly few southern accents around campus when I’ve visited my kid.

Second, Tulane is in an urban location rather than rural. Not a huge sports school. Not a big greek school either. New Orleans also isn’t stereotypical south either. For example, Nola traditionally is Catholic for reiigion and Democrat for politics. Nola has its own culture that is distinct within the south. So if the school otherwise is a fit for your kid, the “southern” thing should be no concern for a NoCal kid.

There’s a big Whole Foods near campus which is housed in a renovated historic warehouse building. It’s probably as nice or nicer than the Whole Foods you’d find in Berkeley.

I like your comments about race and tolerance. My daughter was accepted at Tulane, however she was also accepted at USC, Santa Clara University , UCLA and UCSB. All the private schools including Tulane have offered 1/2 Tuition merit award. Money is an issue so we have to tough decision to make. Tulane is kind of out the question since the cost is the same than USC.

Good points, I am reading your comments. At the end of the day, it is up to the individual to built his.her own path.
I just met a successful person from a college I never heard of, Trinity College and know many successful people from school like Chico State. You can get into Chico with a C average and 1600 SAT. The school may not matter too much. It is the drive and the motivation. You can flash your UCLA batch and if you do not have the motivation you will not go anywhere.

@jototo

You are 100% correct. In fact history and today’s society are bursting with successful people that went to undergraduate schools that USNWR would make you think are not worth even knowing about. Also, there are two schools named Trinity. Trinity College in CT is considered a very good LAC, and Trinity U in San Antonio is a school I consider very underrated.

Best of luck to your D, she ended up with fantastic choices.

Quick clarification @jototo Chico is more selective than that. With a 1600/1800 SAT, you’ll need about 3.2 GPA these days.

Tulane is a very good school but, as a Californian, I wouldn’t pay their full tuition. UCs and CSUs represent a really compelling value. If you daughter gets scholarships, it may be a different equation but,I think you’ll want to visit the campus to get a feel for the culture - and weather.

my daughter chose Tulane over the UC’s although she got in to several of the top schools and Cal Poly. We are from the SF Bay area, and my daughter is quite liberal. We did visit for 3 days her senior year, as we thought she’d go to CA or Boston where she received good merit as well. While she has noted there is less racial diversity that SF, she notes there is diversity of background, religion and life experiences. She received a nice merit scholarship so the price was about equal since we didn’t qualify for CA aid. If she had received that we would have perhaps thought about it differently. The difference was less than $5k year so we let her make the choice, and it has been the right one. We also factored in that she can finish within 4 years (easily, and perhaps a semester early) and she is getting an invaluable education in life in NOLA and travel to the rest of the country - she has been to see a friends family in Atlanta on one break, and to Texas as well.Class sizes are small, and she has gotten in to every class she wanted without a wait list. The campus is lovely and the dorms are fine with 2 per room instead of 3 at the UC’s which are quite crowded. She feels at home, has made great friends, and is doing well academically. And, it is a really nice place to visit…:slight_smile:

As a lifelong Louisiana citizen (actually 11th generation Louisianan), your question makes me sad for my state. Unfortunately, it is totally fair. We are pretty progressive, and Tulane is the only Louisiana school my high school junior will consider. Moreover, I really want her to get out of Louisiana. But Tulane and New Orleans definitely have a different vibe than anywhere else in the south. You might get a kick out of this, but she won’t apply to California schools b/c everyone is “so weird” out there. So, i guess it is all relative. :slight_smile:

Good point. We all have these stereotypes based on the States. Like everybody is blonde and beautiful in CA.
With 33 million people in CA, you will find everything you can imagine in this land. However, the University of CA system is the best in the world, bar none. Top ranked public schools. It is getting very difficult for Californians to be accepted to the UC system 4.2 GPA and 2200 SAT is the lower 25% of the accepted students. UCLA received 98,000 undergraduate applicants. Berkeley, San Diego, Santa Barbara, Irvine, and Davis over 60,000 each. Insane.

You are right about California schools – you are so fortunate. Our own state public schools are going down the drain. We are so fortunate to have Tulane in Louisiana–I hope my student ends up there. It is like a little oasis in a not so forward-thinking/moving state.

That’s true, LSU is on par with the UC system in having budget issues, maybe even worse.