Is Majoring In Humanities (Art, History, Religion, Etc.) A Total Waste?

<p>plscatamacchia, the first thing you should have ever realized about my initial post and should have respected was that “I have no interest debating.” Yes I did address one of your comments/statements, but again I stated I have no interest in debating. If you’re not secure enough to just accept a comment that was made to address my opinion on something you brought up about “family,” then fine, let it be.
If you want to see it as throwing in the towel, go ahead, just know I was never in it to be right/correct wrong/incorrect. I was simply stating my opinion.</p>

<p>After everything you still fail to realize you’re the only one who cares! The only reason I responded to your defense is because I was intoxicated, and stepped down to your level while my inhibitions weren’t there. I don’t have the time or the will power to be “correct” or “right” as much as you SEEM want to be,(as indicated by anyone who doesn’t agree with you).</p>

<p>The original question, “is majoring in humanities a total waste” shouldn’t have been a debate, it should have been a simple response of “My opinion is this and that” or “i think”. A debate is only necessary if you’re trying to disprove a knowledge CLAIM, not an opinion. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions.</p>

<p>It’s like talking to a Christian! What’s the point in arguing a position when its all matters of opinion? There’s no right or wrong opinions.</p>

<p>Lastly, I live in Los Angeles, 21 years old, I can drink legally, I have a life, its summer vacation. Doesn’t matter if I posted on a Monday or Saturday. It’s an opinion, if you need to remember.</p>

<p>Personally, I don’t want to blow $100k to learn about dead poets. I can do that for free.</p>

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<li><p>One of the majors in the OP was Arabic. I am pretty sure an Arabic major can get a pretty good job right out of school pretty easily. DoD, CIA, State, various consulting firms, banks, etc</p></li>
<li><p>Being a business major has an advantage over Liberal Arts majors only in some fields of business. Finance esp. Not so much in marketing, and probably not at all in Sales. Depends on the firm, and on the individual hiring manager. Liberal Arts plus a minor in Biz, econ, Comp Sci, etc is a much stronger position than Liberal Arts alone. </p></li>
<li><p>There is more to life than money. And money is hard to make if you hate what you are doing.</p></li>
<li><p>If you go to Law school, biz school, med school, you dont need to major in Poli Sci, econ, or Bio/chem respectively. Thats probably a bigger waste than lib arts. Liberal Arts go well with all those. When I have to face life or death decisions, I would like if my physician had say, taken enough philosophy/religion/values related stuff to help me weigh the non-medical aspects of the decision. </p></li>
<li><p>It is possible to make a living doing Liberal arts related stuff IF you went to one of the best schools - there are jobs for archaelogists, historians, etc. </p></li>
<li><p>IF you are not attending one of the best schools - AND do not want to teach - AND do not want to go into sales or into a generic paper shuffling business job - then majoring in liberal arts is probably not a great idea. Unless you match it with a more technical minor, like comp sci.</p></li>
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<p>Our country probably produces too many LA majors in the lesser schools, and probably too few at the top schools - especially among those kids headed to top professional schools anyway.</p>

<p>The animosity towards either major is irrational. Why are there humanities majors hating pre-professional majors and pre-professional majors hating on humanity majors? Both are worthwhile. I have a dance teacher who majored in literature and she’s a successful small business owner and president of the Dance Masters of America. One of her daughters majored in history and she’s a dance teacher at a private high school known for its art programs. One of her other daughters majored in spa hospitality, earned 100k+ a year, and then couldn’t find a job when she moved to Merced with her husband who teaches political science at UC Merced. Another dance teacher I have majored in early childhood education, realized she didn’t enjoy teaching preschool, and works for a government agency providing aid to low income families. Even if the have a job that has nothing to do with what they studied, they’re all happy and express no regrets over what they studied. </p>

<p>I have a friend who just graduated from Sonoma State in three years with a double major in anthropology and women’s studies. She found a job making about 30k a year after graduation. I can’t remember what she does because I heard it from a friend who can’t remember details. </p>

<p>The idea that you’ll be destitute if you study humanities is silly, just like the idea that if you study math/science/preprofessional you’re a drone with no humanity and will be miserable the rest of your life. There’s no surefire way to find a job. I don’t see how studying humanities over math/science/etc means you’re lazy and stupid and can’t handle hard work. Writing a critical, analytic paper is just as difficult and time consuming as solving problem sets. </p>

<p>I’m planning on majoring in art to pursue a career in either animation or illustration. My best friends are studying biology, computer science/cognitive science double major, and preschool education. From my knowledge they’re all pursuing them based on interests and enjoy their courses of study. They’re not raving about how I’ll never find a job and I’ll be poor because of my decision. I agree I could learn art on my own through practice a discipline, but I feel it’ll be helpful to have guidance and where will I get all the free time to study art if I’m not in school? I don’t understand some of the animosity in the thread. Liberal arts aren’t better than math/science/preprofessional studies and those studies aren’t better than liberal arts. One course of study has a more delineated path and the other is less predictable and probably won’t make as much money.</p>

<p>"Writing a critical, analytic paper is just as difficult and time consuming as solving problem sets. "</p>

<p>I agree. I would only suggest, that its particularly important if that is your goal to insure that the school in question is rigorous in teaching writing and thinking techniques.</p>

<p>Let’s frame this debate slightly more logically.</p>

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<li><p>I think we all agree that receiving a BA or BS is nearly essential to career success in many areas, so it’s logical that regardless of major, most would benefit from obtaining a degree.</p></li>
<li><p>If you must be in college for four years or so taking classes, what should you take? A widely agreed upon answer would be taking classes in whatever will benefit you most in reaching your goals, whatever they may be.</p></li>
<li><p>What are your goals? If a person is completely sure that he or she wants to be a doctor, then it may make sense to choose pre-med without hesitation (keep in mind that about 50% of pre-med students change their minds about this aspiration sometime during college, same goes for pre-law; many students just say doctor or lawyer because they don’t really know what else to do, or what being a doctor or lawyer really entails). However, I agree with the person who said that passions change over one’s life: how can one know for certain which career path/life path will provide fulfillment? Given this, one might think that spending one’s college years obtaining an education that will provide tools for deciding what matters in life and which goals to pursue would be a good choice. Additionally, pursuing a course of study that would be applicable no matter if the person sticks with a single field for their career or changes every few years (which is the norm study) seems like a wise decision.</p></li>
<li><p>Which course of study provides a person with the ability to discover what matters in life, which goals to pursue, and a broadly useful set of skills? A liberal arts eduction. To be clear, the liberal arts include the humanities, social sciences, natural sciences, etc. (everything besides pre-professional degrees like engineering, business, nursing, education or similar majors). A liberal arts education provides a person the ability to study many diverse topics, pick a single area of inquiry to pursue deeply based on their interest, and general training in critical thinking that results from rigorous analysis of difficult questions. One might say that doing a math proof is more difficult than writing a paper, but what if the topic of the paper is “Define and defend the purpose of life”? That question would be absurdly difficult to answer in a detailed fashion while still keeping a logically sound argument. The point is, challenging oneself in an area of interest is the best way to learn and grow as an individual.</p></li>
<li><p>It seems that most agree that laboratory sciences are best studied in universities due to the necessary equipment, but some of you also say that you can get the equivalent of a humanities education from reading books at a library alone, and let’s assume that’s true. You’ll need to spend quite a significant portion of four years reading lots and lots of books (i.e., your full-time job is reading books), and how realistic is that for someone who isn’t in college? You might say that you can spread the reading over a lifetime, which is true, but that assumes it doesn’t matter when you learn any specific piece of information, that it’s all just for fun. I would argue that the intensity of reading and writing a humanities major does is absolutely essential to shaping their abilities. If one reads philosophy or history books for fun at home, that’s great, but it’s entertainment. It would be like going to the gym once every few weeks. Consistent, rigorous interaction with the ideas of great thinkers throughout history, and discussion/debate with intellectual peers or superiors (professors) is the value of a humanities major.</p></li>
<li><p>Why not pursue both types of degrees? If we consider that the average undergraduate completes 120 credit hours (5 classes a semester, 10 per year) and half of those are business classes, that still leaves quite a few classes for the liberal arts. Similarly, liberal arts majors typically have less requirements, perhaps 45 credit hours, so it’s very reasonable to receive both a liberal arts degree and a pre-professional degree like business or education that doesn’t have a significant amount of requirements (engineering is the most problematic major, as it has lots of requirements typically that cause problems for anyone desiring to double major or take many classes outside of engineering). The point is, with decent planning, most undergraduates should be able to receive both a pre-professional and liberal arts education should they desire it. If that is the case, why would a person choose one over the other?</p></li>
<li><p>Why should one study in a pre-professional program? In contrast to the objectives of a liberal arts education, pre-professional programs provide a specific set of job-related skills that prepare a student for the working world. Most students will need to make money at some point, so having a set of marketable skills seems to be a reasonable idea. Are there disadvantages to a pre-professional program? They take time away that a person could spend learning other things that are more interesting (this depends on the person). As with the humanities, can a person learn the relevant skills without classes? Perhaps not in engineering or in majors requiring certain sets of equipment, but business and education at least are quite readily learned through reading books if a person spends enough time doing it. However, the same argument for why a humanities course is superior to just reading books would apply to both business and education.</p></li>
<li><p>What is the best course of action for a student? Discover what interests you, and determine what skills you would like to develop. Then, find classes that match with those two factors and figure out which major(s) would allow you to follow your interests and develop your skills without taking classes against your will. If you wish to be a doctor, but you also have an interest in Arabic, then take the pre-med requirements and major in Arabic. If you wish to be a college professor and have an interest in sociology, study sociology alone. If you don’t have an interest in anything at all, and just want to make money, pick whatever pre-professional major you desire (and have fun with your exceedingly dull life devoid of curiosity). If you wish to be a businessman, and have a bit of interest in history, chinese, and biology, then major in business and take courses in each of those areas, perhaps even choosing one or two as minors.</p></li>
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<p>There are dumb, unmotivated, or idealistic students in every major. Some may be weeded out faster (engineering) than others, but they are everywhere. Generalizing by major is just irrational: there may be an economics major (liberal arts) interning every summer to prepare for an investment banking career, and there may be a nursing major that spends every weekend and summer getting trashed. If you plan to waste your time getting trashed every night of the week throughout college, then a pre-professional major will allow you a slightly better chance of receiving a job upon graduation when compared to the same person in a liberal arts program, but hopefully we aren’t picking majors based on what the worst or average student will do. </p>

<p>Personally, I began as a business management major, and realized that I didn’t particularly like my business classes, although I did like business itself. I am interested in the qualitative aspects of business (e.g., organizational culture) more than the quantitative (e.g., finance), and I realized that a liberal arts major would give me a stronger background than a business major if I wish to understand people and society. Additionally, I wasn’t sure what sort of career I desired, so limiting myself with a pre-professional degree would not have been smart (e.g., if I should desire to pursue a humanities Ph.D, a business major is not going to get me into a top program). I’ve been slowing discovering where my skills lie, and taking classes that interest me along with developing these skills. It just so happens that a humanities major fits me best, and I am quite happy with it. Most of my friends are business majors (quantitative areas), and I think they made good major choices in relation to their personalities, skills, and interests.</p>

<p>There are many paths through life, choose the one best for you, but make sure you do give it some serious thought. The question of major choice had been central in my mind from the point I started college until a few months ago (rising junior). Now, career choice is the next great question, and I don’t intend to just forget about it until I graduate.</p>

<p>This thread is tl;dr.</p>

<p>I know my major isn’t useless.
The end.</p>

<p>As Alan Bennett’s character Hector says in The History Boys:</p>

<p>“The best moments in reading are when you come across something–a thought, a feeling, a way of looking at things–that you’d thought special, particular to you. And here it is, set down by someone else, a person you’ve never met, maybe even someone long dead. And it’s as if a hand has come out, and taken yours.” </p>

<p>I’d like to see anyone get that kind of fulfillment from investment banking/engineering.</p>

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<p>I can get this from reading any book. I don’t have to study anything for this.</p>

<p>The question was, “Is majoring in humanities a total waste?” ; you seem to be labouring under the impression that it was, “What major requires the most amount of working and learning?”. </p>

<p>Sure, humanities don’t require the memorisation of hundreds of fromulae and equations, but (and I think the above quote is testament to this) one can gain a huge amount of joy and understanding from them. Ergo, they are not a waste of time.</p>

<p>showing the advantage of either a good liberal arts education, or at least of being on a competitive debate team. Never forget the proposition you are trying to affirm or deny, and don’t get drawn into something else.</p>

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<p>Good for you. </p>

<p>You deserve a gold sticker.</p>

<p>I don’t know if it’s so easy as to determine it a waste in such a black or white context. I would say it doesn’t give you a great opportunity to become wealthy, if that’s important to you. IMO, a lot of Humanities majors are very fun and interesting to study, but there’s just not a lot of money in doing something like that. I know a lady who’s a 60 year old librarian that got her degree in library studies. She’s very knowledgeable and loves what she does. However, she lives a very simple (and single) life in a run down cottage no bigger than a 1 bedroom apartment because that’s all she can afford. She works and saves up her money to go traveling every once in a while. She is perfectly happy with the life that she lives. If you really want to do something you enjoy every single day of your life like that and are happy then go for it. I, however, cannot live like that, which is why I have Spanish as my minor and not my major.</p>

<p>Lol, your one anecdote doesn’t come close to proving that that humanities majors are doing poorly financially later in life.</p>

<p>I’ve posted before in this thread, and I’ll say it again - I would not recommend a humanities/social science major (maybe except for economics at top schools) if your primary goal was to find an above average salary for your first job. This doesn’t mean that you’ll living like a pauper on the dole. Your degree doesn’t matter apart from a few technical careers like engineering or accounting and I’ve seen many humanities majors rise faster through organizations because they’re perceived to have more intellectual curiosity and creativity (at least opposed to say, the ubiquitous degree holders of Business Administration). Kick ass in your classes with your nose to the ground and interesting paths will open up for you. This is better advice than advising someone to grind half-heartedly through a supposedly practical major, in a career track they won’t even stick around in. Most advanced positions require Masters or professional degrees anyway (e.g. urban planning, or an MBA for upper management), and you can get attain your vocational credentials that way if they become necessary.</p>

<p>I don’t think a humanities major is a waste. A major is only a waste if you cannot/do not do anything with it. I am a history major and a french minor, but think about all the skills you can learn from that major and apply to numerous career paths after college. You can be a writer, researcher, lawyer, attorney, you name it. Besides, writing is a very important and essential skills in any type of high end business job. If you cannot write, who is going to hire you, most jobs do expect a certain degree of writing for communication.</p>

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<p>It’s too bad so many people think of math/technical stuff as this.</p>

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<p>I found this pretty funny</p>

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<p>And a word of advice: keeping emotions out of this makes posts shorter and easier to read, what with less space being devoted to “idiot” and “ignorant” and all of that.</p>

<p>liek- saying that you don’t care is a real cop-out.</p>

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<p>To answer the (probably a ■■■■■ actually) question- no. Presumably you will learn something- information, skills, whatnot- and it’s bound to be helpful some time. So, it’s not a TOTAL waste.</p>

<p>But if anyone really wants to answer this question (in the case of pragmatics) they could google employment statistics. All these anecdotes are worthless.</p>

<p>Eleanor Roosevelt once said that “Great minds discuss ideas, moderate minds discuss events, and weak minds discuss people.” I think both the philosopher and the physicist discuss ideas. They are both “liberal arts” majors, though only one would be considered a part of the humanities. Though the engineer or accountant may use some principles derived from physics or math to build their robot/death ray/bridge or balance the books/find some new investment scheme/make tons of cash they are ultimately focused on that specific project, and such majors are ultimately not as “philosophical” as a “pure science.” However, society is a mess without accountants, impractical without engineers, blind without physicists, and nowhere without philosophers. A truly wasteful major is one which fails to deal with either ideas or events.</p>

<p>Pursuing a well-rounded, liberal arts education for undergrad is IMO the best route. Graduate school is the place for making your career. I’m not one for the fast-track in learning. A liberal arts education can prepare you better than a one-track engineering programme can for a career in the sciences. Of course, as HADC10 said, we would be nowhere without the 20-something engineers and physicists. I applaud all who learn for the sake of learning, as doing anything but that really defeats the purpose of an education.</p>

<p>[Study</a> Hacks Blog Archive Does Your College Major Matter?](<a href=“http://calnewport.com/blog/2007/10/24/does-your-college-major-matter/]Study”>Does Your College Major Matter? - Cal Newport)</p>

<p>Oh my god, humanities majors aren’t unemployable and preprofessional degrees make more money! Statistics /> anecdotal evidence. Knowing people who succeeded with a humanities degree isn’t worthless information. In fact, I can do the same thing. All your statistics are worthless. You didn’t even present any statistics so I have nothing to go on, but I’m going to go ahead and assert they’re worthless in the event you do show some.</p>

<p>"I’m going to go ahead and assert they’re worthless in the event you do show some. "</p>

<p>AHAHAHAHA</p>