Is my college list too risky?

OP, welcome to the wonderful world of admissions and financial aid! You’ve already received some nuggets of needed information, but I also advise you to poke around the Financial Aid forum. It’s a common misnomer that low income = every school will give you lots of financial aid if you get in, but unfortunately that is not how it works. You’ll see lots and lots of threads from students who assumed they’d get a lot of aid as long as they got in, got in and then couldn’t afford to attend XYZ dream school.

Not all schools promise to “meet need,” and even those who do–the school determines what your need is. And their determination and yours may be different! Your family may say “we can’t pay anything.” The school may say “You can pay $15,000 a year.” Other schools practice was is called preferential packaging, which means they offer the most money to students they most want on campus–these schools are great for high achieving candidates, especially those far above the “typical” student admitted there–but they can be hit or miss for low income students–they can still “gap” you significantly (or provide a full ride. It ranges.)

There are all sorts of other categories, but the above two are important distinctions for you to note. Most of the top 20-30 schools do not offer ANY merit aid: only financial aid, and how much they offer varies widely. Some are “need blind” and meet full need, others are “need aware” and meet full need… many are a nebulous combination of need blind or need aware and “may meet need.”

The issue with your list is it is almost 100% “no merit” high reach schools with varying degrees of generosity and flexibility to their “meets need” financial policies. Some, but not all, of the Ivies meet full need. I’ve heard varying reports on Cornell, Columbia and Princeton in terms of lots of aid for low income. Harvard and Yale have reputations for being the most “generous” (in that their income thresholds for full tuition aid are pretty high). UPenn is pretty good, but not perfect–I’ve heard of full rides there, but also gapping. (anecdata: I know a super low income young woman who got a full ride from UPenn but not from Columbia. They vary in their decisions!)

It’s been said already but: if you are not a California resident, you will get no aid from UCLA or UCB. Even if you’re IN state, the UCs will gap you. When I saw a poverty line student still get gapped 8K a year last year by one of the UCs, I was pretty shocked… even low income in state students aren’t getting “full rides.”

Most of your competitive privates are a mixed bag… you’ll either get a lot from them if you get in and have a truly high need, or they’re going to gap you by a lot. The one on your list that jumps out is USC–they do preferential packaging, so I’d call it a high match school that should stay on your list. One of them, if you get in, might offer you a Cinderella package… but they might not. The thing is–most of the competitive privates on your list are really difficult to get into. You have solid stats but not such that I can say “you’ll definitely get into these!” After seeing a high achieving young woman get into NONE of the competitive privates or Ivies she applied to last year (not a single one!), I’m wary of telling a student “don’t worry!” A balanced college list with safeties is a must.

That is to say: you need to add a bunch of matches and safeties that are known for either truly meeting full need (run the EFC calculator on their sites to check what they say your need is) OR where your profile is more competitive than the average applicant/admitted student and they might offer you merit–many schools offer merit, just not the tippy-top ones. You can also apply to competitive merit scholarships at schools, and consider one of the “automatic tuition” schools as a safety. The favorite on CC is University of Alabama and for good reasons–you qualify for their full tuition scholarship and it’s a great school with rolling admission. Add at least two safeties and three proper matches, and then I would pare down the above list a bit so it’s not as “reach/financial gamble” heavy.

There are no true matches or safeties on that list. I might call BC a high match, but unless UCLA and Berkeley are in-state – OOS, they are probably low reaches – then BC is the only match-range school on your list, and it’s no gimme.

So try to find some (more and truer) matches and at least one safety.

You should like and be able to afford (without too much debt) every school to which you apply. So read about the schools to find out if you’d fit, and run the NPC to find out if your family could likely afford them.

I would say that all of the schools are reaches for anyone these days. While you are a likely possible admit for some,there are no guarantees. You need to review this list with your guidance counselor first and I agree start with the bottom - schools that are true safeties both academically and financially. Your state flagship should be on your list without question and schools with rolling admissions such as Pitt or Alabama.
The year my older d graduated high school in a class that ultimately yielded many Ivy League acceptances to a group that included both Intel semi-finalist and Presidential Scholars, the head of guidance at our senior meeting night said the only safety for everyone sitting in that room was the local community college. That was pretty shocking to hear but it did tend to lower some parent’s expectations for their kids.

Knowing what state you’re in matters because many CA residents who start off in a CC graduate from a UC every year, so in CA, CC isn’t a bad safety.

Michigan does provide need and merit to OOS students

Another point to consider is that you’re looking at schools that you say will offer full tuition. What about the other costs – room, board, fees, books, travel, miscellaneous? Do you have funds to afford these expenses?

And, I don’t believe anyone has mentioned, your personal ability to borrow is very limited.

Right, you won’t get financial aid from the UC schools, so unless you can afford to be full pay, those schools don’t need to be on your list.

@Dolemite I am not the first one in my family to go. Recently i have been thinking about engineering/music/media related majors

@Midwestmomofboys Thank you for such a great post containing really great info. I will def check out some of the colleges you recommended. However, what do you mean by an instate public flagship?

As others have said, you need to add safeties and matches. What state are you from? You should definitely apply to your state flagship. Look at University of Rochester (great science + music) and University of Pittsburg. Both can be generous. University of Richmond offers a number o full-tuition scholarships - all who apply be a certain deadline (Dec. 1st??) are considered. Tulane has competitive full-tuition scholarships that require extra essays. Did you take PSAT and, if so, is National Merit possible? That opens up an entirely other set of doors. Good luck.

@Dubudubu – instate public flagship would be the main campus (“flagship”) of your state’s public university. We live in Indiana, so for us, it is Indiana University, Bloomington campus. You said you are from the Northeast – so, for Connecticut residents, it’s U Conn; Massachusetts, U Mass Amherst. I gather New York doesn’t have a single flagship, each campus has different strengths. New Jersey, it would be Rutgers; Pennsylvania, would be Penn State, main campus.

Your home state public university will often offer good scholarships (merit awards, not need based) and Honors programs and other special advantages, to the high achieving student.

@10s4life i should reconsider applying to UCs because i am not living in CA :confused:

Unless you are a CA resident you will be full pay at the UCs and CSUs. If you can’t afford it then don’t bother applying.

That’s an extremely risky list. You should probably add a safety or even a range. While I do think that you’ll get into at least one of those schools, you can’t take such big risks in the application process.

As others have said, if you are not a CA resident and money is a factor (you can forget FA at either Berkeley or UCLA). You definitely have too many reaches and two few matches/safeties (but you already know that).

What state are your from?

Consider U. Rochester, Tulane, Univ. of Alabama (great automatic merit and good FA), Univ. of Arizona, Arizona State (Barrett Honors College), U Maryland. Fordham University. Lots of good options,

Honestly, BC is basically a safety for you (unless you left out a significant negative black mark on your profile) - but I would not bet my life on it, they might just catch Tuft’s Syndrome (don’t know if BC admissions is known for doing this).

I would add at least 1 “true” safety that you would be happy with and can afford (like your state flagship, as long as it isn’t UC Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan, UNC Chapel Hill, UVA, or GTech).

I meant GTech if you are applying for CS/Engineering - other programs are probably much less competitive.

http://www.collegedata.com/cs/data/college/college_pg02_tmpl.jhtml?schoolId=144 indicates that Boston College does not consider level of applicant’s interest. But many other subjectively graded criteria are used.

@LoveTheBard I live in NJ. I am not so sure if i want to go down south like GA or FL for colleges