Is Peer Assessment in USNWR Rankings based on Undergrad or Grad Reputation?

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<p>From my perspective, Berkeley and Michigan are definitely not superior to Duke. Maybe equal. Maybe. I, however, would attend Duke over Berkeley and Michigan any day. (assuming equal cost)</p>

<p>Also, test scores may be arbitrary, but they do help to predict success in college. (even better when used with gpa)</p>

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<p>NATIONAL MERIT SCHOLARS FOR CLASS OF 2011
Duke: 90(5.25% of incoming class)
University of Michigan: 62(1.03% of incoming class)
University of California Berkeley: 60(1.42% of incoming class)</p>

<p>Michigan and Berkeley have stronger graduate programs than Duke and have equally good faculty at the undergraduate level. However, Duke has an academically more qualified and diverse student body, more academic resources per student, better study abroad/civic engagement options, smaller class sizes, better faculty/student ratios, more research opportunities available per student and better advising than either of these school. All three are excellent schools where any student can succeed if he/she puts in the work and takes incentive. These are the facts. You can either accept them or continue to live in delusion.</p>

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<p>^^ i think that is a pretty reasonable statement; i agree.</p>

<p>and everyone, don't discount the SAT. a very recent study (go visit the college board site) suggests that SAT + GPA is the single best predictor of success in college.</p>

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These are the facts. You can either accept them or continue to live in delusion.

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No, this is not fact. This is the biggest misconception...there isn't a separate undergraduate faculty and graduate faculty (except for medical and law schools).</p>

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suggests that SAT + GPA is the single best predictor of success in college.

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I agree. However, only if SAT is taken without test prep sessions and single sitting (no superscore).</p>

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<p>Just because kids today are stupid enough to buy the Duke hype does not mean it's true. You have been marketed.</p>

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<p>Unfortunately, you've done nothing to advance your case either...
It just so happens that your stats profile looks like you're spot on for Berkeley's 75th percentile...so 25% of Berkeley students could, in your words, "run circles" around you (about 5,750 students) because they happened to answer several more questions correctly on a multiple choice test...amazing!...:rolleyes:</p>

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I meant with regard to the quality of actual teaching that undergraduates receive from these faculty members. I don't know much about Berkeley, but if it's anything like Michigan, then it means that GSIs or TAs are teaching 30% of the classes at the undergraduate level. At Duke, there is not a SINGLE class that is taught by anyone besides a tenured professor. At Michigan and Berkeley, many of the most distinguished professors will be busy doing research and attending international academic conferences instead of doing the actual lecturing, which they will leave to the TAs and GSIs. Michigan and Berkeley are paying these award-winning professors to do cutting-edge research that will put the institutions at the forefront of technological change, not to hold the hands of undergrads. According to Hawkette, Duke is recognized to be a school that has "Teaching Excellence", while Berkeley and Michigan are not. If the more distinguished faculty members at Michigan and Berkeley cared about teaching rather than research/citations/awards, then they would choose to teach at places like Duke, Dartmouth and HYP. Simple logic would dictate that these professors would want to teach the most intelligent students they can get their hands on so they can educate the individuals who share the same zeal for a subject of study that they do.</p>

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I don't think superscoring would help Michigan or Berkeley as much as you and Alexandre seem to think it will. There might be a 10 or 20 point increase in the SAT scores of these schools, but definitely not enough of an increase to close the gap significantly between them and the top private schools. I also think your dislike of prep sessions is unfounded and really silly. There's no evidence that kids at Duke have more access to test prep sessions than their Michigan or Berkeley counterparts. Even if they did, it would if anything indicate that Duke students put forth more time and effort in preparing for a standardized exam that counts for a lot come college admissions time. That's a GOOD thing. I value hard work, perseverance and dedication over raw natural intelligence any day. The individuals who possess the former qualities are the ones that end up succeeding in life.</p>

<p>Gee, you didn't happen to do poorly on the SAT/ACT did you? You express an awful lot of bitterness towards the only objective measure we have to compare students going to various high schools all over the country come college admission time. What else do you propose we do to measure the academic readiness of these students?</p>

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Dude, I got a 35 on the ACT. Forget Berkeley kids, 90% of Harvard students couldn't attain that score. Good try though.</p>

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<p>They go to Washington among other things. Wisconsin has produced more Fortune 500 CEOs than Duke and the same number as Harvard.</p>

<p>Washington</a> DC Internship</p>

<p>And do summer internships.</p>

<p>Total for All Majors: 198 Acceptances Reported
Salary Range: $500.00 - $5,200.00
Average Base: $2,650.59
Median Base: $2,500.00</p>

<p>By Major:</p>

<p>Accounting 41 Acceptances Reported
Base Salary Range: $1,152.00 - $5,000.00
Average Base: $2,738.41</p>

<p>Actuarial Science 19 Acceptances Reported
Base Salary Range: $1,000.00 - $5,000.00
Average Base: $3,011.71</p>

<p>Finance, Investment & Banking 75 Acceptances Reported
Base Salary Range: $550.00 - $5,200.00
Average Base: $2,838.11</p>

<p>Information Systems 3 Acceptances Reported
Base Salary Range: $2,500.00 - $3,800.00
Average Base: $3,150.00</p>

<p>International Business 12 Acceptances Reported
Base Salary Range: $1,000.00 - $3,467.00
Average Base: $2,251.20</p>

<p>Management & Human Resources 25 Acceptances Reported
Base Salary Range: $1,000.00 - $4,480.00
Average Base: $2,565.71</p>

<p>Marketing 39 Acceptances Reported
Base Salary Range: $1,000.00 - $3,701.00
Average Base: $2,295.19</p>

<p>Operations & Technology Management 5 Acceptances Reported
Base Salary Range: $1,000.00 - $3,200.00
Average Base: $2,468.00</p>

<p>Real Estate & Urban Land Economics 39 Acceptances Reported
Base Salary Range: $550.00 - $5,200.00
Average Base: $2,473.07</p>

<p>Risk Management & Insurance 25 Acceptances Reported
Base Salary Range: $1,000.00 - $5,000.00
Average Base: $2,835.11</p>

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Gee, you didn't happen to do poorly on the SAT/ACT did you?

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I go to a top 10 school. You went to Wisconsin. There's no need to be bitter though!

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Dude, I got a 35 on the ACT. Forget Berkeley kids, 90% of Harvard students couldn't attain that score.

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<p>Honestly, why do you argue with someone whose ego is this big?</p>

<p>(By the way, the combined 75th percentiles for Harvard is 2370... though that composite scores are not reported, I daresay quite a bit more than 10% would have gotten the equivalent of a 35.)</p>

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That's a cool statistic. I bet you tell people at parties that to avoid letting them know what most of your college friends are doing now. Oh wait, they are probably the ones serving the Hors d'oeuvres.:rolleyes:</p>

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<p>I guess we all know how they party at Duke. You must be so proud.</p>

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<p>I don't know what you really meant by that statement, but I'm definitely proud that I go to the most fun elite school; I am getting a top 10 education while staying sober only three nights in a week in most cases.</p>

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<p>^^ he was referring to the Hor d'oeuvres being a part of the Duke party scene.</p>

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<p>Explain to me again why we can't block this punk? At least Bescraze seems to have gotten bored.</p>

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At Duke, there is not a SINGLE class that is taught by anyone besides a tenured professor.

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<p>So every single professor at Duke is tenured? That's news to me. And probably a lot of professors at Duke.</p>

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According to Hawkette, Duke is recognized to be a school that has "Teaching Excellence", while Berkeley and Michigan are not.

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<p>Oh great. Now we are citing Hawkette as a trusted source on higher education.</p>

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<p>Why don't we block you instead? At least I look at things objectively. You incessantly tout Cornell's academic and aesthetic greatness on basically every thread, even where is innapropriate.</p>

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<p>Hawkette at least presents objective statistics and studies to back up her claims rather than hearsay or personal testimony.</p>

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You incessantly tout Cornell's academic and aesthetic greatness on basically every thread, even where is innapropriate.

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<p>Care to show me one thread where I ever talked about Cornell in anything but an objective light?</p>

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You incessantly tout Cornell's academic and aesthetic greatness on basically every thread, even where is innapropriate.

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<p>Agreed. lol. I believe there is one thread where we were just talking about LAC or Michigan OOS and suddenly we're on the topic about Cornell. LOL I find that hilarious and funny.</p>