<p>Texas, this is a very good question and I should have explained it more clearly! </p>
<p>You’ve noticed that one set of statistics shows 123 Princeton applicants and the other shows 3% of graduates (i.e. 38 total). </p>
<p>First, you’re actually comparing two different years. The 2010 figure of 123 is for Princeton grads entering medical school in the fall of 2010. The 3% figure is for the Class of 2011 entering medical school in the fall of 2011. There were 38 members of that class who went directly to medical school after graduation. The 3% comes from dividing those 38 into the 1,195 who completed and returned their surveys. (It’s actually 3.2% but I rounded.) </p>
<p>The figure of 123 Princeton applicants includes alumni. A great many students take a year off after undergraduate school prior to entering medical school. Many others have decided on a medical career too late in their undergraduate careers to have time to complete medical school prerequisites by the time of graduation. Many of these students finish their pre-med courses at another institution and enter medical school the year after that. This is true at all universities. If those alumni use Princeton’s pre-med counseling (which is still available to them after graduation), they can be counted in the totals.</p>
<p>It does make sense that a large percentage take a year or two off to do other things. The only Princeton grad I know going to med school in Texas did that. </p>
<p>Looks like a large percentage of students do not go directly to med school.</p>
<p>Tigerdad, actually, the percentages at Princeton are right in line with those at Harvard and Yale as I reported above. (Stanford is similar as well.) I think it’s simply the case that most people have a mistaken belief that the numbers at all these schools are higher.</p>
<p>Number of graduating ‘seniors entering’ doctoral program vs.
Number of ‘applicants accepted’ (to medical schools)</p>
<p>At year 2010, the number of ‘applicants accepted’ to medical is 123.
Please note that one person can be multiple applicants when applying multiple medical schools and get multiple acceptance letter. but allowed to enter only one medical school. The actual number ‘entering’ medical school is about 38</p>
<p>Interestingly, they slightly changed the language when describing graduate study statistics.
In 2011, 85 students ‘entering’ doctoral program. </p>
<p>Note how data are manipulated… and exaggerated</p>
<p>Third Year :
From Princeton : 1 (yes only one person entered Yale Med from Princeton LOL)
Yale : 12</p>
<p>Second Year :
Princeton:1 (one person again )
Yale :11</p>
<p>We all know that Princeton has more science majors than Yale. However, at Yale Medical School there are 10 times more Yale graduates than Princeton graduates. </p>
<p>At Yale Medical school, Yale College graduates get huge bonus points. and none for Princeton graduates. </p>
<p>This is exactly my point. Even though Princeton, Harvard, Yale, Columbia Stanford…etc all get similar LSAT scores, however,</p>
<p>at Yale law school, there are 3-4 times more Yale College graduates than Princeton graduates.
at Harvard Law, there are 5-6 times more Harvard college graduates than Princeton Graduates.
at Columbia Law, each year, only 5-8 Princeton undergrades enrolls, whereas about 50 Columbia undergrads enrolls. </p>
<p>Note that each year, about 4% of Yale college graduates enter law school somewhere (which is about 50 students). but more than 30 of them are at Yale Law. Yale Law clearly has ‘quota’ system that prefers Yale College applicants. </p>
<p>I assume that the average MCAT scores of Harvard Yale, Stanford, Princton Columbia MIT
etc are all about the same, but
At Yale medical school, there are 10 times more Yale College graduates than Princeton graduates.</p>
Again, this is manipulation of data.
73% employment is actually ‘plan employment’
73%= 42% employed + 10.7% seeking employment + 11.6% intership (probably unpaid or underpaid) +4% part time employed …etc…</p>
<p>For those of you who have any doubt whatsoever about the accuracy of the data and comparisons Ive provided (and the total manipulation of those data and comparisons by youpika) I would encourage you to contact the career services offices at Harvard, Princeton and Yale directly or send me a private message and I can point you to more detailed documents that have been published.</p>
<p>There is really no point in any further attempts to engage this poster in fact-based or logical arguments. Sadly, Im quite certain well see the same postings again a year from now under a new screen name just as we have for the last three or four years here on the Princeton board. One could speculate endlessly on the state of mind and motivations of someone like this but little would be gained.</p>
<p>I was waitlisted by Princeton, but I was accepted at my top 3 choices - I’m not bitter!</p>
<p>But why wasn’t Princeton on my top 3 choices? Simply because Princeton has lost its prestige outside the United States. I’m not saying, that it is a bad college, it’s an excellente college, one of the best in the world, but the name isn’t as well known outside the US.</p>
<p>Princeton was very well-known in the past, but it’s losing its luster on the international level. Stanford is viewed as the best college in terms of innovation, people associate it with modern technology. The MIT is the Mecca of Maths and Engineering. Yale is extremely well known, because of all the presidents that went there and the whole Skull and Bones thing. Harvard is simply known as the “holy grail” of education, it can’t get much better than that, according to most people.</p>
<p>Reputation is extremely important nowadays. Although the rankings show that Princeton is better than Harvard or Yale, I wouldn’t choose P over H or Y so lightly. Princeton is, at least for most of the people (European Ivy alumni) that i’ve talked to, legendary, but it’s not what it once was. Princeton really needs to think about this, because such a great college with such a remarkable history deserves a much better reputation!</p>
<p>I really hate to be snarky here, but it just ruffles my feathers a little when high school seniors, such as guyfromportugal, make such uninformed and arrogant statements based on tidbits gleaned from “European Ivy alumni”.</p>
<p>Princeton has a very strong international name and is widely known and appreciated. Harvard is clearly the most well-known university “brand”, but Princeton is no slouch. For example, in The Times Higher Education World University Rankings, Princeton is 5th (above MIT, which is 7th and Yale, which is 11th. [Top</a> 400 - The Times Higher Education World University Rankings 2011-2012](<a href=“http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/world-university-rankings/2011-2012/top-400.html]Top”>World University Rankings 2011-12 | Times Higher Education (THE)) In the Shanghai Academic Rankings of World Universities, Princeton is #7, while Harvard is #1, Stanford is #3, MIT is #4 and Yale is #11. </p>
<p>One of the reasons why Princeton might not be ranked even higher in international surveys is because many of these rankings are based on publications in science/nature journals and Princeton, with its lack of a medical school and medical research center, loses ground. In addition, the lack of a business school also leads to fewer “points” in some of these surveys. However, in my view, that is a flaw or inherent unfairness of the ranking systems, not a flaw in Princeton.</p>
<p>I think that most people outside the US probably recognize the names of very few American universities–Harvard is obviously the exception. However, for purposes of getting an international job or prestigious fellowship or getting into graduate school or a host of other real-life outcomes, Princeton has not lost a step in my judgment.</p>
<p>You got the wrong ranking for a rebuttal to my argument. You chose the quality ranking. I stated, that Princeton is an excellent college, but it has lost some prestige. And it has. Is Princeton more prestigious than Harvard? Because that is what Princeton was for a lot of years. Harvard was always top-notch, but Princeton was not behind and they had von Neumann, Einstein and Godel working there at the same time, which is just ridiculous!</p>
<p>Besides that, I’d like to clear some facts. Most rankings are very biased towards American universities. </p>
<p>Do you know where Wall Street and the City and Frankfurt are getting their mathematicians from? France. I don’t see any French unis on the top 10.</p>
<p>Do you know where the best engineers in Europe are coming from? From the Technical University of Munich. They’re sending people to German banks, German tech industry (the best engineering products in the world are German, the only exception being the French airplanes from Airbus and all the military technology from the US, of course). Nonetheless, MIT trumps them in terms of prestige.</p>
<p>If Princeton was the best college, with a prestige higher than Harvard’s, hasn’t it lost prestige if it isn’t regarded as such anymore?</p>
<p>So, in other words, the rankings are wrong because they are biased (albeit in favor of American universities), but they are completely right about Princeton? And the peer review from several thousand academic reviewers is your barometer for how the prestige of a university is measured? And your view that Princeton has lost prestige is based on your sense (without any verification) that 60-70 years ago Princeton was somehow more prestigious? </p>
<p>I believe that your arguments are quite flawed (Yale is more prestigious because everyone knows about Skull and Bones??), and I think that all rankings must be viewed with a grain of salt, but forgetting that, I think, as I stated before, that Princeton is incredibly well-respected internationally and will allow you to pursue/excel at any possible career path, whether in the United States or internationally.</p>
<p>I wish you much luck at Harvard, Stanford or Yale next year, and I hope, as you mature, that you realize that your pursuit of prestige will not make you happier or more successful.</p>
<p>These kind of threads provide great entertainment for me. “Is Penn a Doormat Ivy?” “Is Cornell the worst Ivy?” “Does Columbia deserve its #4 ranking?” Lol.</p>
<p>I won’t come out and say guyfromportugal is a ■■■■■, you can decide that for yourself based on this thread he posted in several forums. Check out the SAT score. I also find it hard to believe that Princeton would have considered this applicant at all considering he claims he has spent the past two years in a top Portuguese medical school. Princeton does not accept transfers…</p>
<p>Mathgirl 21, I explained the reason of my “transfer” already. Under Portuguese law, if I drop out from college I lose all credits. In fact, dropping out requires me to take the 12th grade exams again, if I want to go to college again, which means, that I’m no longer considered as a college student and can therefore apply as a freshman. Which means, that my period at Med School is therefore nullified. N</p>
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