^^Right, and steps were taken to change that, and the changes have happened. Move on.
OP, don’t let the distraction of Greek houses give you an opinion either way about the college, or, more appropriately the students of that college in terms of acceptance.
Greek Houses often recruit from a fairly homogenous pool…it is not just a white thing…sometimes it is just based on interests, political affiliation, family, wealth, looks, etc. Greek houses are not looking for the ‘all-around perfect new member’ because a lot of it is about how well you get along as an individual with the people currently in the house. Rush is about getting to know people in a short period of time and seeing if you ‘fit’. I would guess that if Rush could be conducted ‘blind’ you would not see significant changes in who gets into which houses. It is simply easier for people who are not involved to assume that the homogeneityis born of racism rather than myriad other factors.
More importantly, unless you have a great desire to be part of the Greek system, it is largely moot. I have many friends of many backgrounds, but only a scant few would have been a good ‘fit’ for my fraternity. That does not make anyone a bad person. People in primarily white (or black) Greek houses are not necessarily racist. I would say it is more likely that they are not. Of course, the exceptions make headlines and embarrass everyone involved. Like they say, you can’t fix stupid.
OP, you really need to visit both campuses to decide for yourself.
With regard to Bama, a lot will depend on the specific fraternity you want to join. There are plenty of ethnic minorities involved in Greek Life, although probably not the “Old Row” fraternities.
I also am not sure what you mean by “I do show very prominent features of this.” Iranians are Caucasian, are they not? Lots of Bama students (including my Ashkenazi Jewish kid) have dark hair!
Also, the president of the Student Government Association (SGA), Elliot Spillers, is black, so while the APA sororities still have a long way to go IMHO with regard to diversifying their membership, that’s not true of the student body at large.
@boolaHI, just curious, have you ever visited either university?
You need to clarify with facts, AA woman as of 2014, represented only of 1% of sororities, in the Alabama system.
@boolaHI sorry. I misunderstood your post #6 since you didn’t quote or direct it. I thought it was in answer to the post above you about Ole Miss.
Sorry for the confusion…
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You need to clarify with facts, AA woman as of 2014, represented only of 1% of sororities, in the Alabama system.
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You’re excluding the several Alabama sorority houses that are nearly all Black. Most black women prefer to rush the Black Houses because of “family tradition.” Their parents expect them to join “their” houses.
You don’t seem to understand that AA’s have STRONG loyalties to their houses because of their network system. You will rarely see a white adult with their Greek letters on their cars or clothes, but you will frequently see AA adults with their Greek letters on their cars and sweatshirts.
You also don’t seem to realize that the Alums of the Black Houses are NOT happy with the idea of White Houses recruiting “their” students. They see it as an attempt to weaken (or destroy) their traditions and networks.
Yes, of course the % of AA women in the traditionally White sororitiies will be low, for the above reason, but also since recruitment efforts are new. Only 2 classes of rush have more agressively recruited AA members. But, it will only take a few cycles for the numbers to grow.
What either don’t cite or care to acknowledge is the reasons why AA community, but institutional necessity, had to create their own houses. And seriously, one AA sorority member iin over 50 years is beyond the pale and entirely appalling. Your apologetic rationale escapes the utter horror of the treatment of blacks by southern universities-- I suggest you read the findings of US v. Fordice to obtain a taste for the institutional racism that has gone on for generations…
However, the fraternity and (especially) sorority racial segregation phenomenon is hardly unique to southern universities. Unfortunately, it is common all over the country, though there are chapters at some universities which are much better racially integrated.
If that is of concern to the OP, he may want to check the chapter photo albums at the fraternity systems at the various universities under consideration. Also, the sorority ones, due to fraternity social life often being in close association with sororities and their members.
@boolaHI You are very naive. I went to college in California, not the south. The Greek houses were then, and probably are still, pretty much segregated.
Are you from Hawaii? If so…hmmm…that is quite the racist state. What are you doing about that?
Hmmn, interesting that you have that comment regarding Hawai’i, coming from an entirely Caucasian perspective. As many Academics and legal experts point out, the entire vantage of minorities being racist or “reverse racism” does not address either the institutional and societal that are contingent upon exercising racism… Your comment, especially as applied to Hawai’i is tip of the iceberg of being uninformed or uneducated on this topic.
Specifically, Hawaiian were illegally overthrown, in 1893, something documented and reflected by an apology document from the US President, in modern times. In fact, their population dwindled to under 25000, just in 25 years, from a high of over 800000. Then, religious, political, and cultural institutions were removed from their community. Finally, they have never really recovered from a socio-economical level. Thus, without controlling any of the attendant power structures or having vast amounts of capital, I find it strains credulity to even suggest they are racist. Perhaps, you should ask yourself, what it is to not be the dominant population 24/7 , which is the case for minorities for the last 200 years, and maybe your own feelings of either feeling out of place or intimidated?
When one does not view the totality of history and examine the societal underpinnings for such situations and occurences, one can wander very easily into bloviation.
But then coming again, I am not surprised, as you previously alluded that my daughter, who was a double stem major, graduating with the highest honors from CAL, and having a MCAT in the 97/98th percentile, got into UCSF because she was a minority…hmmmmm, go figure??
Sure, much of the historical marginalizing of native Hawaiians must be laid at the feet the European (i.e. American) colonizers. But the treatment of native Hawaiians by the Japanese-American ruling class was (is) hardly any better.
@boolaHI You need to be more honest about what I wrote (starting in post #25):
The subject that you initially criticized was my suggestion to the OP about how many med school apps his/her child should should submit.
You criticized my number by mentioning the smaller number of apps your DD submitted (no mention of scores, stats, med school name, etc, at that point).
I admitted that my son only applied to 6 med schools, but others typically apply to more (particularly if from Calif).
You commented that your DD applied to 7 (no mention at that point of her stats or where she’s at).
I responded with:
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@boolahi I think your family may be URM? If so, then their admissions situations could be very different.
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And, I stand by those words. In general, that is true. Again, at that point, you hadn’t included stats, which you LATER said was a MCAT between 33-35 (after taking the MCAT 3 times…which BTW, those scores are between the 91st and 97th percentile)
and I responded with:
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^^^ Oh yes they were qualified regardless. It's just that qualified URMs applying to med schools can have a shorter list because many med schools will absolutely want them.
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If they hadn’t been URMs, even with those stats, if they had only applied to 6-8 med schools as Calif residents, there would have been a good chance that they wouldn’t have had any acceptances.
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AND…YOU responded with…
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@mom2collegekids I agree with you, qualified female URM applicants are a commodity.
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Hmmm…so you admitted that qualified URM med school applicants are a commodity.
Go figure.
At this point the thread has wandered off topic and I believe everyone has had a chance to reflect on the topic.