Is there a link between the SAT, the ACT, the Dems, and the GOP?

<p>Take a look at what these people had to say.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/mt/mt-comments.cgi?entry_id=2140%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/mt/mt-comments.cgi?entry_id=2140&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>In case you don't want to read that, here are the comments that I wish to point out.</p>

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<p>I think Kevin's point is valid - it's the customer base of the SAT vs the ACT.</p>

<p>I took the SAT, I grew up on the west coast, I went to a prestigious, if not well known, private university.</p>

<p>My spouse took the ACT, grew up in middle america, and went to a non-technical, public, state college.</p>

<p>Her college was even less prepared than my high school, so... Perhaps there is more than ancedotal information here.</p>

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<p>Kevin, most of the states that love the ACT are blue states... MN, WI, MI tend to lean Democrat. MN hasn't voted for a Republican since what, Hoover? They were the only state (and DC) to vote for Mondale/Ferraro.</p>

<p>The truth is the SAT is being dumbed-down, since it is designed to compare students to the average of their peers. Therefore the average just keeps dropping. The ACT is based on actual knowledge needed for college, and so if an entire generation is undereducated, the ACT will reflect this with low scores. That's why the ACT is so popular near Iowa, where it was created. The coasts just can't accept that the ACT is far superior since it was invented in "fly-over country."</p>

<p>Nonetheless, the reason that the <em>average</em> scores keep dropping is that more disadvantaged students are taking the tests, which is actually a good thing. If you look at SAT scores <em>within</em> each major racial/ethnic group (White, Black, Hispanic, Asian-American), you find that <em>within</em> each group, SAT scores are on the rise. However, the average scores for Black and Hispanic students are lower overall (although rising annually), and since Black and Hispanic test-takers are increasing in percent, the OVERALL average drops while test scores for each race is rising. In reality, EVERYONE is getting smarter, but changes in the proportions of different sub-populations skews the average and makes for confusing results.</p>

<p>Bottom line: lower average test scores is actually a GOOD thing. Averages can lie.</p>

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<p>My thoughts were the exact opposite; I believed that, in general, the SAT was the "blue" test, and that the ACT was the "red" test. I was convinced I was wrong when I read this:</p>

<p><a href="http://www.arthurhu.com/99/06/satact.txt%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.arthurhu.com/99/06/satact.txt&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Yes, it's outdated by about six or seven years. The point is that the coastal Southern states, which are generally Republican, prefer the SAT, whereas the Upper Midwest states, which are usually Democrat, favour the ACT. </p>

<p>There is one minor anomaly, and a glaring one: Arizona and Indiana, respectively. The former is technically within the Rockies, but unlike them, it leans towards the SAT. (Must be the California transplants.) The latter is completely surrounded by ACT states, and is somehow inclined towards the Republican party. </p>

<p>In addition, it seems that the most populous states use the SAT more. California, New York, Texas, Florida, Pennsylvania, but not Illinois (nor Ohio nor Michigan). Really, if there is to be a logical consistency between population and SAT/ACT preference, Illinois and Indiana should switch places. Or perhaps it's because Illinois houses Chicago, "the most American city of all". (I'll explain what that means in the next paragraph.)</p>

<p>Basically, the reason I used to think the SAT was for donkeys and the ACT was for elephants was that the Dems stress globalisation, and that the GOP insists on nationalism. Non-Americans have free access to the SAT, whereas that is (generally?) not the case with the ACT. Of course, it is called "The American College Test" for a reason.</p>

<p><em>takes a deep breath</em></p>

<p>Here's one more link:</p>

<p><a href="http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/states/USCHARTsat.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/states/USCHARTsat.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>So, what are your thoughts on this?</p>

<p>Hm, that's interesting. I'm a Dem living in a Red (ACT) state, so it's sort of hard to comment.</p>

<p>ACT takers are also less likely to go outside their state and certainly not outside their region, whereas I have seen a lot on CC about east coast kids wanting to go to California and vice versa. Most kids in my school don't even take the SAT, and I have no idea what the scores posted on CC mean, except that 1600=perfect. It's like the metric system to me.</p>

<p>Midwesterners are a different brand of people with different priorities. I guess the party connection would depend on whether the people reflect the party or the party reflects the people.</p>

<p>And didn't Chicago vote overwhelmingly Kerry?</p>

<p>Yes, Second City mostly voted for John.</p>

<p>Nonetheless, it seems to have earned the moniker I called it through its steadfast support of American football, one of the crappiest sports known to man.</p>

<p>Oh dear god. </p>

<p>Heheh, I'm afraid of what this thread may become...</p>

<p>What's that, JLP?</p>

<p>
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My thoughts were the exact opposite; I believed that, in general, the SAT was the "blue" test, and that the ACT was the "red" test. I was convinced I was wrong when I read this

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I still didn't believe, so I made this nifty little chart. Since the CB website is down, I couldn't find participation rates for about 30 of the states, but you can just look at the ACT rates to get a general idea of what it would be. I ordered the list descending in participation rate for ACT.</p>

<p>Notice that above 50% participation rate for ACT there are only 4 blues. Below there are 15. Also interesting that the 9 lowest participating-in-the-ACT states are blue. </p>

<p>Conclusion: Blue states are more likely to be SATers and Red states are more likely to be ACTers.</p>

<p>Before you look at the chart, read this:
ACT and SAT participation rates are from 2003.
"0" in SAT column means I couldn't find the info for the state since CB is down.
"Politics" is how the state's electoral votes went in 04.
The formatting got all screwed up, so don't be angry :)</p>

<p>State ACT SAT Politics
Colorado 100 0 Red
Illinois 100 0 Blue
Mississippi 88 4 Red
Louisiana 80 8 Red
North Dakota 80 0 Red
Kansas 76 0 Red
Tennessee 74 14 Red
Alabama 73 10 Red
Arkansas 73 0 Red
Kentucky 73 13 Red
Nebraska 73 0 Red
South Dakota 70 0 Red
Michigan 69 11 Blue
Missouri 69 0 Red
Oklahoma 69 0 Red
Wisconsin 69 0 Blue
Minnesota 67 0 Blue
Utah 67 0 Red
Iowa 66 0 Red
Ohio 64 0 Red
West Virginia 63 20 Red
New Mexico 62 0 Red
Wyoming 62 0 Red
Idaho 60 0 Red
Montana 52 0 Red
Florida 41 61 Red
Nevada 34 0 Red
South Carolina 34 59 Red
Texas 33 0 Red
Alaska 32 0 Red
Arizona 27 0 Red
Georgia 22 66 Red
Indiana 21 54 Red
Hawaii 16 0 Blue
Washington 16 0 Blue
California 15 54 Blue
New York 15 82 Blue
North Carolina 15 68 Red
Maryland 12 68 Blue
Oregon 12 0 Blue
Virginia 12 71 Red
Vermont 11 0 Blue
Massachusetts 10 0 Blue
New Hampshire 8 0 Blue
Pennsylvania 8 73 Blue
Connecticut 7 0 Blue
Maine 7 0 Blue
New Jersey 6 85 Blue
Rhode Island 6 0 Blue
Delaware 5 73 Blue</p>

<p>UPDATED using 2004 numbers.</p>

<p>SAT Numbers: <a href="http://www.collegeboard.com/prod_downloads/about/news_info/cbsenior/yr2004/CBS2004Report.pdf%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.collegeboard.com/prod_downloads/about/news_info/cbsenior/yr2004/CBS2004Report.pdf&lt;/a>
ACT Numbers: <a href="http://www.act.org/news/data/03/states.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.act.org/news/data/03/states.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Sorted descending by ACT participation:
State ACT SAT Politics
Colorado 100 27 Red
Illinois 99 10 Blue
Mississippi 91 5 Red
Louisiana 87 8 Red
Tennessee 87 16 Red
North Dakota 81 5 Red
Nebraska 77 8 Red
Alabama 76 10 Red
Kansas 75 9 Red
Kentucky 75 12 Red
South Dakota 75 5 Red
Arkansas 73 6 Red
Missouri 70 8 Red
Wyoming 70 12 Red
Oklahoma 69 7 Red
Michigan 68 11 Blue
Wisconsin 68 7 Blue
Iowa 67 5 Red
Utah 67 7 Red
Minnesota 66 10 Blue
Ohio 66 28 Red
West Virginia 65 19 Red
New Mexico 61 14 Red
Idaho 59 20 Red
Montana 56 29 Red
Florida 44 67 Red
South Carolina 36 62 Red
Nevada 33 40 Red
Alaska 29 53 Red
Texas 29 52 Red
Georgia 26 73 Red
Arizona 20 32 Red
Indiana 20 64 Red
Hawaii 18 60 Blue
New York 16 87 Blue
North Carolina 15 70 Red
Washington 15 52 Blue
California 14 49 Blue
Virginia 13 71 Red
Maryland 12 68 Blue
Massachusetts 12 85 Blue
Oregon 12 56 Blue
Vermont 12 66 Blue
Connecticut 9 85 Blue
Maine 9 76 Blue
New Hampshire 9 80 Blue
Pennsylvania 9 74 Blue
Rhode Island 7 72 Blue
New Jersey 6 83 Blue
Delaware 5 73 Blue</p>

<p>-Of 17 lowest participating ACT states, 15 are "blue."
-Aside from, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Illinois (all of which are "north-midwestern states," all states with above 50% participation rate in ACT are "red."</p>

<p>Sorted descending by SAT:
State ACT SAT Politics
New York 16 87 Blue
Massachusetts 12 85 Blue
Connecticut 9 85 Blue
New Jersey 6 83 Blue
New Hampshire 9 80 Blue
Maine 9 76 Blue
Pennsylvania 9 74 Blue
Georgia 26 73 Red
Delaware 5 73 Blue
Rhode Island 7 72 Blue
Virginia 13 71 Red
North Carolina 15 70 Red
Maryland 12 68 Blue
Florida 44 67 Red
Vermont 12 66 Blue
Indiana 20 64 Red
South Carolina 36 62 Red
Hawaii 18 60 Blue
Oregon 12 56 Blue
Alaska 29 53 Red
Texas 29 52 Red
Washington 15 52 Blue
California 14 49 Blue
Nevada 33 40 Red
Arizona 20 32 Red
Montana 56 29 Red
Ohio 66 28 Red
Colorado 100 27 Red
Idaho 59 20 Red
West Virginia 65 19 Red
Tennessee 87 16 Red
New Mexico 61 14 Red
Kentucky 75 12 Red
Wyoming 70 12 Red
Michigan 68 11 Blue
Illinois 99 10 Blue
Alabama 76 10 Red
Minnesota 66 10 Blue
Kansas 75 9 Red
Louisiana 87 8 Red
Nebraska 77 8 Red
Missouri 70 8 Red
Oklahoma 69 7 Red
Wisconsin 68 7 Blue
Utah 67 7 Red
Arkansas 73 6 Red
Mississippi 91 5 Red
North Dakota 81 5 Red
South Dakota 75 5 Red
Iowa 67 5 Red</p>

<p>-Of 10 highest participating SAT states, 9 are blue.
-Of 11 lowest participating SAT states, 10 are red.</p>

<p>I think this pretty much shows that blue=SAT and red=ACT.</p>

<p>But, judging from the dearth of posts on this thread, I don't think anyone really cares... :)</p>

<p>I do. Thanks for the stats!</p>

<p>Really, does the country need to be split apart with ANOTHER criterion? I say we eliminate the ACT and establish the SAT as the sole standardised test of America. With the way the SAT is now set up (featuring Algebra II), there really is no further need for the ACT. If the ACT were abolished, then Americans could come one step closer to living up to our name as the United States.</p>

<p>Do you guys really believe that a political link exists between which standardized tests people prefer to take? Some statistician had too much time on his hands. The SAT/ACT is most/least preferred in these states because that's what's been promoted the most throughout the school systems. Republican states don't prefer the ACT and Dem states don't prefer the SAT and further proof of this is the fact that the states that went republican were once Democrat during the Clinton Gore era and vice versa.</p>

<p>Come again?</p>