Thanks for the advice. We will continue to enjoy whatever places we would like to enjoy and tip what and if we can afford it.
Moving on………
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Apparently, there is an attempt to make tipping part of the ‘normal process’ just about everywhere. I live in a state where servers make the minimum wage of $15.50/hr. Is that enough to live on…no. But not because a server is making this wage but because we are an extremely high cost of living area. So, as was asked, should we ask everyone what they are making and then tip if it is at or below a certain point.
Time to reset the expectations. Again, apparently there is an ongoing attempt to do just that. Almost any transaction involves someone giving a service. Change my oil, bag my groceries, pour my wine, repair my streets, draw my blood. … all of these are services. So, should they be tipped? Societal expectations and norms change…I guess at this point they could go either way…tip everyone, or tip no one.
I don’t tip based on how much someone makes. I tip based on the quality of service I received.
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I’m not talking about tipping the doctor or the dress person or even the fast casual attendant - i’m talking about a food server, an uber driver, etc…a person’s who has expectation of deriving income from tips.
If I were not going to tip, I would not be rude enough to take their capacity.
Just what I was going to point out. Seems like so many other workers who provide services think THEY are deserving of tips, also.
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I agree, it’s voluntary. I agree also that it’s wrong not to tip when there is an established expectation of tipping. Salon, restaurant, taxi.
It’s clear that there are now way too many occasions when people are expected to tip. I’m personally done with it. I’m not tipping the mortgage company or the person who sold me something.
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Tip, don’t tip, I don’t care what you personally decide to do. Just making the point that $15 per hour is not big money—don’t know where you live, but could you live comfortably on <$30,000 per year net pay?
It should be obvious, but this talk about people spitting in food because they don’t get tipped is disgusting. To do so is just classless and unprofessional. There’s never an excuse. And it’s just sad that this is even something we have to think about.
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I never said $15 an hour is a lot of money. What I said was I had a child who makes $13 an hour, so why should that child be expected to tip someone who makes more than they do. My child works their butt off just like some servers do, but doesn’t get tipped.
Someone above said my child does not deserve the chance to enjoy some services if they can not afford to tip. That’s a cruel take!!
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I don’t understand this line of reasoning. My D worked at Jimmy Johns in HS. She made peanuts. That didn’t stop her from tipping servers when she went out to eat. I agree with Linda that there are certain industries where tipping is still expected, and worked into the salary structure.
At least in my neck of the woods, servers are earning more $ now because no one would work with what they were being paid in the past and restaurants were closing because they couldn’t find staff. I see it this as a market adjustment, not a reasons to stop tipping.
I do agree that tipping for stuff like the mortgage company is ridiculous.
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I didn’t say my child never tips. I said my child would not tip a server making $15 an hour. If they know the server is making $3 an hour,they tip. My comments stemmed from the conversation above about servers making $15 an hour.
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Maybe your child should get a job as a server? Kids around here start going out to eat at sit down restaurants early since we have a lot, many walkable from the schools (until one gets a drivers license and Applebees half apps starts). I told me kids if you can’t afford to tip, you can’t afford to eat out, and if your friends don’t tip, cover them and don’t go out to eat anymore with them. By sitting at that table, you are preventing those that do tip from sitting there. Same with Uber. Servers here get paid about $5 an hour, but tips are an expected compensation regardless of base pay. My 20 year old daughter is currently unemployed (and not happy about it but doesn’t have a car at school). Guess who’s not going out to eat unless someone offers up a meal swipe?
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Again with the “don’t go out to eat”
Sorry poor people, you don’t get to enjoy eating out occasionally!!!
So someone is going to spit in your food if you don’t tip. WOW! That is a person who deserves a tip 
Disgusting!!!
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In addition to tipping, I think this thread is out of control a little bit.
It all boils down to a couple of things IMO:
- the public has a history with tipping SERVERS in restaurants without too much hesitation.
- the public now has a tiff over tipping customer services outside of those we are used to tipping - direct “servers” (waiters, hair stylists, pizza delivery person etc.) who spend more than a direct minute providing a historically tipped service to you.
- in many spaces people are being presented with pressure/option to tip for brief contact service.
- in many spaces “servers” are now being paid an increased rate of pay - $15/hour often noted. Well deserved. But we have an uneven system of pay vs. service performed. Your $15/hour server is probably being paid more than the child care staff who is taking care of very young, very needy children.
It’s just a wacky system of who gets paid what or deserves extra $ kudos for the service they provide.
I’m guessing the child care worker isn’t going to frequent the mid-high end restaurant where they need to pay the mid-high bill AND tip the server. They have a fast food budget due to their salary. Will the server suffer if 10% of their customers - the child care worker having their once or twice a year nicer meal - tip less???
$50 bill at 20% tip = $10
$50 bill at 15% tip = $7.50
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There are servers who make more than $100K. Does this mean whatever % of society doesn’t make 6 figures shouldn’t tip them?
Sorry - there’s zero logic. If you can’t afford to tip, then don’t take someones capacity/income potential away. Yes, that means your kid should not get to afford that service.
There’s a reason some restaurants are adding service charges - because of this type of behavior.
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Excellent summary!