<p>Just to throw something out there. I will be attending UNC-CH next year as a freshman. I have lived in North Carolina only three years. Although there is the In-state 82%, there is a lot of diversity among the in-state students.
My father just retired from the Army earlier this year, which meant moving eight times, attending seven schools and living in six states. I may not be a "Tar Heel Born" or a "Tar Heel Bred," but I recognize the excellence of this school. When some of my other classmates can't wait to get out-of-state, I recognize that we should take advantage of this excellent, affordable institution.
My point--although I may be an "in-state" student, I'm not from North Carolina. I actually can't answer the question, "So, where are you from?" and that's alright with me. I love meeting new people of different races, religions, beliefs, and thoughts. Students from across this state, nation, and world. That's going to be the case with most students at this school. So don't look at the instate thing as such a bad deal because there is a very diverse group within that pool. I doubt that they would ostracize you for being from another state.
To any prospective students who haven't visited Carolina I would encourage you to do so. If you are not able to, then I would do your research. I am so tired of reading about this division between ISS and OSS because truthfully I think it is non-existent and further discussion is only hurting the appearance of Carolina.
Finally, I am proud to call myself a Tar Heel and cheer on our excellent Basketball team even though I'm not "from" North Carolina.</p>
<p>for the last time, never have accused in state students of ostracizing me or anyone else. it's not your job to "doubt" another person's experience anyway. additionally, the in state / out of state "division" as <em>you</em> put it, is not about where people are from, but where they are, where they go home to. and it's ok for a school not to have a completely perfect reputation / rate of satisfaction among its students.</p>
<p>Just as an outsider looking in....</p>
<p>Do you really think your criticisms of goheels3 makes her enjoy UNC more? She's not happy. Mmmk, lots of kids there aren't happy. And you humiliating her on a public forum sure ain't helping the situation.</p>
<p>Just thought I'd add that.</p>
<p>And, btw, the original question was "Is UNC the hardest school to get into OOS?" Not "Why doesn't goheels3 like UNC?"</p>
<p>I wasn't trying to call out goheels but merely wanted to address the IS/OOS subject that is brought up so often on this forum. I have grown tired of discussing it. We should be encouraging prospective students to visit Carolina and discover what it is like rather than airing our own dirty laundry. </p>
<p>Honestly, I'm sorry if you don't enjoy your experience at Chapel Hill. I'm not trying to rag on you. I just don't think you should tear down the school. I'm tired of this discussion and am tempted to stop posting on this site. </p>
<p>I am grateful for the help I received when applying to colleges and I would hate for this discussion to turn away prospective students who have not been able to experience Carolina for themselves.</p>
<p>Ditto to vc08 comments. We are entitled to our opinions... but apparently not here.</p>
<p>I have TONS of friends, most of which are from within the state. I am considered by many to be popular, and I'd probably consider myself popular too, since there is never enough time for everyone on my social calendar. </p>
<p>This doesn't have to do with students ostracizing students. I do believe it was harder to make solid friendships and connections my freshman year, as many things were harder. It has to do with already having connections and groups established and there being an apparent lack of people who don't have those friends or connections already. It just makes it a little harder, that's all. </p>
<p>I did say I have felt unwanted here at times, but not by students forming some kind of ridiculous opinion about "out of state students" <strong><em>(I haven't even noticed much less mentioned that kind of prejudice, yet you all keep responding to that nonexistant accusation</em></strong> -- I guess that's easier to react against??), but at times the structure of the University, its policies, ratios, a lot of little things in its operation, and sometimes the genreal vibe. </p>
<p>It's really sad that whenever someone posts a remotely negative review of the school, you jump on them personally and accuse them of having no friends, having all these delusions of persecution, and having some kind of sick determination not to be happy. If I was applying to schools right now, I's actually feel kind of creeped out and concerned about your overblown defensiveness at any sign of anyone being less satisfied with UNC than you are. </p>
<p>Offering my own experience does not equate a "false representation of the school". Like I have said before, I didn't appreciate the false reputation I was constantly shown of UNC and the happiness of OOS students and others. I never met someone who was willing to give the other side of things--UNTIL college. Once I was actually there, there were finally upperclassmen AND freshmen who volunteered their negative experiences, from the moderately uncomfortable to severely unhappy. You have no right or credibility in deeming someone else's EXPERIENCE and OPINION as utterly false (Not to mention the 'warning' you were deeming false was not even what I was saying to begin with. Those are your words, stop twisting mine.) The only false reputation would be one of 100% or 0% happiness. Obviously it is not 0% happiness, but it's not 100% either, so get over it.
Have you learned absolutely nothing throughout your education about respecting the opinions and feelings of others?</p>
<p>OBVIOUSLY. I am offering my personal experience, which happens to overlap with the experiences of some of my friends. I made this clear. At NO point did I say all out of state students or even a majority feel that way. </p>
<p>And yes, I am serious. Like I have ALREADY explained, once again, at the first OSSA meeting I ever went to, they half-jokingly said to be prepared to answer the question of why you decided to come to UNC, becuase people will ask you it every day, and then clarified that they were for real. I seriously doubted that, but it's true. People don't bring it up with animosity, as I've already explained, it's just a topic of conversation, but the vast majority of the time it is the first thing people ask upon hearing I am from a different state. </p>
<p>I was saying that it is not a good idea to go here or anywhere else just because you got in when it was very hard to get in. This has come up a lot in conversations I have had with people who are unhappy at their schools, UNC, Ivy League, and elsewhere. </p>
<p>I personally would not reccomend going to UNC from out of state. I also think it's an OBVIOUS piece of advice not to go somewhere just because you're proud of getting in since it's academically selective, but based on many convesations I have had, this is something a lot of people fail to realize</p>
<p>I think what happens (if I'm understanding you right, goheels) is that when in staters ask "So why'd you come to UNC?", and you realized this, that it's more of a, so what brings you to our neck of the woods? sort of question. I originally misunderstood you and thought that you meant they were essentially asking, why in the world would you come to UNC when you could be somewhere else? Now that I understand, it makes more sense, and I've definitely asked what interested out of state students in the state of North Carolina in general. I guess being born here I like knowing what other people like about the place. I could see where being asked that a lot would lead someone to eventually get tired of it.</p>
<p>I still don't really understand it when some people say that they feel like there's a bias against them as out of state students. Some of my out of state friends complain about the tuition, which I'm sure happens at every school, so I've never thought much of it. I didn't support them hiking tuition for out of staters because I know a good amount of out of staters choose UNC in part because of its cheap tuition. Goheels, I promise you that I'm asking this out of curiosity and no matter what you say I won't pounce on you, how else do you feel like the school is geared towards in staters? As in, are there other policies that make you feel less welcome?</p>
<p>I was quick to jump to conclusions that you didn't go here (I can't remember if I posted that that's what I felt or not, but I know other people did say that) because your post count was really low and I misunderstood what you were saying, and I'm sorry for that.</p>
<p>UVA's admit rate for OOS this year was 29%, their IS was about 46%, with about 18,500 applications total (roughly 11,000 were OOS apps, the rest IS apps). This was on the UVA CC site.</p>
<p>UVA's acceptance rate may be lower, but I still think it's harder. I got into UNC oos and waitlisted at UVa oos...but maybe UVa just didn't like me.</p>
<p>I am also tired of people's quit reaction to attack the messenger instead of listening to the message. Its OK for some students to not like UNC. EVERY school has some people leave finding it was not the right fit. Carolina has a high rate of returning Freshmen. For those who leave, some leave for financial reasons, academic reasons or just aren't happy. No need to be defensive EVERY school has attrition.</p>
<p>Yes it is harder for OSS to get into Carolina. It can be hard for them to feel a part of it....they have to work hard at it. Some programs make it easier with handholding and special groups/activites to make them feel a part of like the big scholarships or even the honors program (which even though the OSS have the numbers and often better numbers....dont get invited). For those on the outside, tolerance and understanding not to mention warmness is what they want and need. Welcome them, invite them along, they are here to become a part of Carolina. </p>
<p>I wish people would reflect on their own actions in tolerating those who are different whether that is racial or ethnic or geographic or intellectual....reach out to someone near you who you have overlooked, who is invisible to you because he or she isn't like me.....and have a conversation. You will learn so much in the process. Don't congregate with people just like yourself....and take a step outside your comfort zone.</p>
<p>Out of staters, get a jumpstart on life at Carolina by signing up for freshman camp or the Apples service project or the other hiking program during the summer. Carolina is a great school and there are incredible students an faculty there to bring you along.....</p>