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<p>Hello guys,
I am an international student in 10th grade. My last SAT attempt will be in December of 2010. </p>

<p>MATH.
Scores: 740-780
The Reasons of wrong answered questions: Careless errors, timing</p>

<p>WR.
Scores: 700-750
The Reasons of wrong answered questions: Careless errors, odd sentence structures
Essay is pretty good.</p>

<p>CR.
Scores: 450-550</p>

<h2>I am not doing my best to improve it. I have memorized about 800 words and that is enough for me. Either way I will take a TOEFL.</h2>

<p>Well, the thesis of my preparation is to get maximum points on Math and WR. </p>

<h2>So, the question is, which of these 3 parts of the SAT, is most important for an international student. </h2>

<p>Do you have any ideas how can I avoid my careless errors?</p>

<p>Thanks.</p>

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<p>I’d say the CR section; success on that section really shows your abilities in English, which colleges need to see in international applicants. No matter how smart an international may be, he has little to no chance of making it in America if he can’t speak English.</p>

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<p>Keep practicing. The more exposure you have to SAT-related questions, the more familiar you’ll be with question style and question topics. By practicing, you reduce the chance of not being to answer a question and you also ameliorate your ability to reason out the correct answer when you’re not sure.</p>

<p>Thank you very much! I am practicing every day for about 4 hours but I have never realized that CR has that “power”. I thought that TOEFL could cover it because I am an international non-native speaker.</p>

<p>How are your writing scores so high when you’re a non-native speaker? I know some of my friends who would kill for those scores.</p>

<p>^People who are used to speaking English pick up the slang. Internationals like our friend Suleyman95, learn English through strictly grammar. It’s like learning a foreign language.</p>

<p>I’m an international student too and I agree that writing isn’t hard (for me) because there are only rules that I have studied in my own country… For the Critical Reading, that’s harder but I can make a decent score ( my practice tests are around 650-670), I read all the passage and then I answer the questions, for me it’s easier but everyone has his own strategy. You should practice because by practicing you’ll see that Critical Reading it’s almost the same kind of questions…</p>

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<p>TOEFL does show that you can speak English, but as far as I know, TOEFL tests less complex English (both my parents took the TOEFL about 20 years ago before coming to America). SAT CR shows your ability to read critically<a href=“hence%20the%20name%20of%20the%20section”>/u</a>. For non-native speakers, it’s certainly more difficult than TOEFL because the CR section tests more nuanced things.</p>

<p>As for the high writing score, schoolisfun is right. In America, we hear so much grammatically incorrect slang that internationals rarely (if ever) hear outside of America. So in a sense, internationals have an advantage this way.</p>

<p>i scored a 490 on CR in oct, but once i changed my strategy my score instantly gone to 600s, i used to use this strategy:<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/sat-preparation/750399-how-attack-sat-critical-reading-section-effectively.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/sat-preparation/750399-how-attack-sat-critical-reading-section-effectively.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>But then changed it up during a practice test, which raised my score…
heres what i did…Instead of annotating it and answering the questions as i went through the passage, i read the whole passage first, then did the above strategy…Before i used to think that reading the whole passage waste time, but i realize that we spend less time looking back and forth the passage and question after you read it, so reading the whole passage first actually even got me to answer all 24 or 19 questions ^.^</p>

<p>try it out :slight_smile: if it works it works :slight_smile: if it doesn’t then work on a strategy that fits your preference, everybody is different :)</p>

<p>Btw how did you improve so much with your writing and math? i remember few months ago you weren’t scoring that high…i just want a 650 for all subjects and im good, just scoring 550s-590s in math 540s-600s in wr and 600s in cr, wat did you do bro?</p>

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No. It does. TOEFL consists of 4 parts: Reading, Listening, Speaking, and Writing.

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<h2>Hard work always pays off. Well, first I improved my math skills with EXTRA help of Khan Academy. Afterwards, I learned about 800 new words: Direct Hits and Rocket Review. Then, I memorized the grammar needed for the SAT. Moreover, I used to watch US films, videos, shows, WWTBAM, etc. But still I have a sentences that sound odd for me. And of course, practice, practice, and again, practice.</h2>

<p>give yourself less time to complete test portions. I usually completed 5-10 minutes early for every section. Then go back and check your work…don’t skip ahead.</p>

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Right. A tip for 800: Try to resolve and redo every question/problem.</p>

<p>Guys,
I will apply for engineering majors next year. Is a 450 on CR enough for me, assuming a 750+ on Math and WR?
Simulation of my future application:
SAT I 450/750/750
TOEFL ibt 100+
GPA: 3.5
SAT II: 8 subjects 550-650
How strong it would be?</p>

<p>You said you want to go to Montana or something right? You’d probably get in.</p>

<p>Well, it is too early to conclude my final decision about the university. But yes…something like that. If I will find a sponsor, I would apply for top-universities; if not-- something like Montana.
But a question was is a 450 on CR enough good for international applying for the engineering majors.</p>

<p>Don’t take a lot of subject tests; take AP’s instead. I took 5 AP’s and 3 Subject Tests.</p>

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I cannot take AP in my country. There is no AP center here.</p>

<p>Even if that is the case, concentrate on three to four SAT subject tests. Aim for quality rather than quantity.</p>

<p>Well, my cousin’s application was something like I posted above. As a result, he got in WPI. I don’t know now…as for now, my job is to focus on the SAT…It is a two and half weeks remainging!!!</p>

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<p>I think that this is misleading in the case of Suleyman. For starters, he DOES understand English and, if we look at his CC posts, has made incredible progress in his writing. Fwiw, our universities are plenty of international students who could not break a 500 on the SAT CR, and anyone has a fair chance to even meet one as a TA! To understand how schools admit foreign student, it might be useful to check the GRE scores for Master and PHD applicants … this will lead one to understand how subscores are used. </p>

<p>In my eyes, while it would wonderful for Suleyman to boost his CR score to the upper limit of his ability (from 450 to 550), I do not see how a score around 500 could jeopardize his applications. Adcoms should be able to account for his background, and understand how hard he worked to score so much higher than most people who were born in this country.</p>

<p>Suleyman, give it one more shot, but start concentrating on the remaining part of your journey. There are parts of the application process that are very important.</p>

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<p>Thank you for your suggestions. I will review and make sure that I know all words in my list to get a 500 on CR.</p>

<p>P.S I received a 8/12 for my essay in my October SAT. I hope I will do better in the December one.</p>