It's time to stop chancing each other and give back to future applicants...

I’ve just read some random threads/posts which has led me to believe that some people need to read POST# 35 on this thread…

In fact, please read the entire thing! There’s a lot of wisdom woven into this thread from applicants/parents who have already gone through the process or… what I’d like to call the S-storm you now find yourself in … so listen to them!

Allow me to be candid about a few things:

  1. If you need ANY amount of FA, you will need to apply to a minimum of 10 schools. Yes, you heard me right. Ask for fee waivers, if you need them.

  2. If you’re a FP applicant ( who has had every advantage in the world ) and you’re applying for III or IV Form, you have some BIG competition to think about - namely all the kids applying from JBS and Private Day Schools. In other words- you’re going to need more schools on your apply-to list, too- even if you’re a legacy at one or two . Yeah, times have changed and both pools are crazy competitive so buckle up.

  3. The “IT” schools vary from year to year and they’re not always the usual suspects mentioned here . ONE EXAMPLE: Taft. Taft is currently an “IT” school, so if you’re applying to Groton, Deerfield, Exeter, SPS, or Andover with rockstar/ stellar stats… Taft is NOT your “safety” school. Make sense? Good.

  4. Schools currently not experiencing “IT” status in the Top 30-40 ( including some great single sex schools, too ) are NOT your “safety” school either. I know, right? They’re actually the first choice schools for many applicants with better stats than yours.

Hard to imagine but true!

Now, if you DON’T really need or want to go to BS and you’re a GO “HADES” or STAY HOME kid/ family because you’re blessed with a viable school option at home- by all means - roll the dice and good luck. But know this: Every single BS ( in the Top 40 ) had a record year for apps last year, so I’d recommend rethinking that approach now- ESPECIALLY if there’s even a sliver of a chance that you’ll be devastated if you’re completely shutout. Truth be told: This particular camp usually receives the least amount of sympathy because when faced with all WLs or Rejections on M10- suddenly they all want to go! Like clockwork.

Every. Single. Year. Kids: My parents would only let me apply to “Top Schools”. Parents: Will Pomfret take a late app???

I have no words. None.

Since I’m at home battling a wicked cold, I’ll offer some quick advice for interviews… not that anyone asked, but it might help someone. I just did a couple BS interviews as an alum last week so here are some things that I focus on.

It’s really important for an applicant to identify the things they’ve never done before and to express interest in exploring those things during an interview. It may be something like the opportunity to live away from home and learn independently , a unique program, particular club or course that sparked interest , or a sport that you’ve always wanted to try, but perhaps isn’t always offered everyday like squash, water polo or rowing. Maybe a combination of all the above in addition to what you already do best.

An applicant’s laundry list of accomplishments is always awesome, but let the illustrious past speak for itself later on on the app. You can certainly touch upon a few key things, but steer clear of making your past highlight reel the focal point of the interview. It’s also a conversation not an FBI interview so try to relax. Try to remember that a BS interview ( and ultimately the app ) is more about the future. BSs are actively looking for kids who are willing to try new things. Are you willing to get out of your comfort zone?

PLEASE NOTE: BS PLACEMENT has absolutely NOTHING to do with FUTURE COLLEGE PLACEMENT. It shouldn’t even be on your radar right now and a BS AO will probably think you’re somewhat certifiable if it is. They don’t appreciate parents pouring over their matriculation lists either, or asking about how many kids went to Harvard last year … so tell your folks to chill out when they’re brought in for their chat. Don’t enter into red flag or ROI territory. Don’t put the cart before the horse. Academics/ future college placement is actually a very small piece when compared to the personal growth piece . Read all the BS Mission Statements and you will find out what’s important to them.

If you DO get in, they’ll definitely let you know if you’re still Ivy material in V Form… so no worries…and besides- you have much bigger things to worry about … like surviving BS! Let’s see how that goes first. :slight_smile:

Recap: What brought you here? What makes you ready for this experience? Why this particular BS? If you’re not asked these questions directly during an interview, you will still need to make your case loud and clear on the app. How? Through your stats, essay(s), recommendations, life experiences… through your ECs and sports , and don’t forget the dreaded Parent Statement which is meant to compliment all the above ( because like it or not… they’re coming along for the ride, too! ). And, don’t forget to write your AO a nice thank you note. It goes into your file with everything else.

An applicant also needs to convey readiness throughout the process and how going to a BS is the LOGICAL next step. NOTE: The most amazing stats in the universe will not automatically translate into readiness or an acceptance. And believe me- a BS AO can spot an applicant who isn’t ready in under five minutes. Near perfect stats or a fab SSAT score will NOT save an applicant who isn’t ready to function independently or be successful away from home.

Tip: If you’re a parent of a "young " 7th or 8th grader and you’re already thinking about applying to SS for 9th, I’d advise you to consider JBS for repeat 8th or 9th. The experience for most kids is absolutely priceless. The Secondary School Placement and expertise is also priceless. In other words- Your child will have an amazing boarding experience and you won’t be throwing darts at secondary schools … plus, through your child’s JBS young alum and parent networks, sports and some ECs , you’ll have firsthand knowledge about culture and other elusive facts pertaining to most secondary schools- important things that you wouldn’t have known going into this process cold. Just throwing it out there, if you have any doubts about readiness.

Now, if an AO from any BS suggests another school or schools during an interview ( Have you looked at Kent or Tabor? ) listen to what they’re telling you and don’t be offended! They’re actually doing you a huge favor by steering you in another direction … which could ultimately be a much better fit! Does that mean that you shouldn’t submit an app to this school ? No, submit one regardless, if you wish, but I think it would behoove you to checkout Kent or Tabor! Especially since the recommendation came from someone with extensive BS/Admissions expertise. Go see if they’re right! Be open minded and willing to explore all the wonderful options out there!

And please remember: A BS interview is a two-way street. You’re there to collect vital information about them so think about what your needs are and take off the rose colored glasses ( if you have them on ). Make each school earn your app. You should also have a list of questions for an AO ready to go prior the interview . Not standard questions easily answered on their website ( sigh ), but questions uniquely tailored to your needs. And, for the Love of God, don’t get hung up on “tiers” or prestige when looking at a boarding school . It’s a recipe for disaster so be willing to think outside the big box schools and do your research. Your happiness ( which happens to be paramount to everything else ) absolutely depends on it.

Phew. I feel so much better now. :slight_smile:

@PhotographerMom I’VE MISSED YOU!

@PhotographerMom Great post! It was really informative! I do have a question though- if one needs 98%+ aid, what could be a safety? Is there such a thing? I’m applying to 9 schools already but they’re all very hard to get into (Choate, Hotchkiss, Loomis, SMS, NMH, Brooks, Andover, Exeter, Concord), and I can’t seem to find a good safety. How does one pick a safety when they need full aid?

@CavsFan2003 - There are no safeties for applicants seeking FA. There are only true matches.

To increase your odds for receiving an acceptance plus the required amount of aid needed to attend, you need to zero in on schools that will suit you perfectly.

I suggest choosing more schools that are not known for their large endowments, “NB” status ( real or imagined :wink: ), or “ generous “ aid. All schools in the Top-30-40 are in the position to offer full or very generous aid .

@buuzn03 - I’VE MISSED YOU, TOO !!! :slight_smile:

@PhotographerMom Thank you! I’ve got a feeling my dad wants to kill me for the amount of schools I’m applying to but I’ve gotten fee waivers everywhere so I’m just shooting my shot. I’m only looking at schools on the Gateway app to keep it convenient for my teachers, so I’ll go through that list. Thank you for your help and your very informative posts! :smiley:

Fee waivers and Skype is your friend. I appreciate that you’re being thoughtful but don’t limit yourself to Gateway. Good luck!

NOT a safety school, @CavsFan2003 , but have you considered St. Andrew’s School in Delaware? They have a very special culture.

@CaliMex I’ve heard things about it but not necessarily looked into it- I def. will!

It’s that time of year to give back for the next round! If you’re unsure about the spirit of the thread, please read the original post. Share your wisdom and experience with future applicants and pay it forward!! :slight_smile:

After we visited a handful of schools, and while waiting, I as a working parent can’t help but to wonder whether AO job at HADES is easy or hard to do? To whom are they responsible to and act upon? How does their board/principal measure whether they have done a good job or not? For example:

  1. if they all ended up with admitting the same kid as a 'perfect applicant', is that a job well done or not?
  2. if any one ended up with admitting a good kid who has no other offers, is it value added insight or is it a wrong call?
  3. when a significant portion of the applicants to HADES are the same (call it 40% overlapping), do you think the admitted pool have higher overlapping (45%) or lower overlapping (25%)?

I presume none of HADES has this data, but there are some very interesting insight to be unfold. I would imagine for the non-legacy pool, you could divide the applicants into a few sub-groups: (if you were to remove the FIN AID factor/pool), the full pay is 50%~60% at HADES. is there a clear pack order among this five (5)?

  1. START EARLY
  2. Spend lots of time on essays, proofread and upgrade every small detail, ESSAYS MATTER
  3. Prepare for ur interviews, prepare lots of questions to ask AOs and alumni.
  4. Choose schools through research, not just by looking at the rankings, some schools may not fit you, even though they might be the best in the country. Good luck to everyone in M9/10!!!

Don’t assume the most famous schools are the best schools, the most sought after, or the ones held in the highest regard by boarding school educators or college admissions officers. That’s a rookie mistake.

The best school is the one that fits you best… the one where you thrive because it has the right mix of autonomy and support for you, not anyone else.

  • research thoroughly!!! very beneficial to looking for schools to apply to or preparing questions to ask during your interview
  • start everything early! I would say start looking for schools in the summer, spent a month-ish after the essays prompts come out thinking about what to write for each. PLEASE DON'T start your essays in December break
  • form good relationships with your teachers who are writing the recs! Well, you should do that with every one of your teachers, but at the bare minimum be close with your Math and English teachers. Participate in class (but not too much), don't doze off, look at the teacher when he/she is speaking, don't talk to your friends when you're supposed to be listening to the teacher...
  • tell your teachers about them writing a recommendation before you send it to them. don't expect them to come to you
  • essays. are. very. important.

-If you truly want to attend a boarding school next year, apply to schools other than Andover and Exeter (and if that means “broadening” your net to Choate, Deerfield, Milton, Lawrenceville, and SPS you are wrong.) However, if you are truly happy with your options at home, then by all means, only apply to the “top” schools.

-Research the schools you are visiting BEFORE you visit them. And make sure you have questions to ask the tour guide and AO.

-Don’t read too much into the interviews, THE MAJORITY of people have good interviews. AND write thank you letters to tour guides and AOs.

  • Begin writing your essays early, as ilovechoateeeee stated, don't just start writing them over December break

-reach out to the coaches, theater directors, and art instructors.

-Your SSAT score IS NOT who you are (the admissions committee know that and it would do you a whole lot of good to know that too.) If you are applying to those “top schools”, as long as your scores are within the 80 to 90 percentiles YOU ARE GOOD.

-Make sure to check the transcript your school’s registrar is sending in the transcript report, because in many cases they may forget to fill out a section or they will not send enough of the years necessary for the Adcomms.

-Don’t let essay prompts constrict your ability to tell the Admissions office who you are, make the prompt fit your experiences–NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.

  • "books are the best things, well used; abused, among the worst." this same principle goes for CC. (I'm sure my fellow Ralph Waldo Emerson nerds will recognize that one). There are some incredibly educated parents, alums, and students of prep schools on here, and it would serve you well to AT LEAST here them out. On the other hand, take everything you read here with a grain of salt, many people on these threads are experiencing the first time in their lives where they have a file and they will be "judged" on their accomplishments by others, they may know as much, if not less than you do.
  • When it comes to ECs, don't just do them for the adcomms because they can recognize whether an EC lines up with your interests or not. Do ECs because you love them and are genuinely interested in them and will continue it in high school. AND DO NOT list every award or achievement you have achieved from your birth to the present. List the things that are still relevant to your life and goals today.

-AND FINALLY, when all your school searching, info sessions, interviews, and apps are done…MAKE SURE TO THANK YOUR PARENTS/GUARDIANS. The number of parents willing to let their kids apply to schools on the other side of the country is incredibly limited, let alone the parents who will take their kids there for interviews and tours. the application process alone is extremely expensive whether your parents make less than 50,000 dollars or whether they make several hundred thousands of dollars. THANK THEM FOR PUTTING YOUR GOALS FIRST.

Didn’t think it would get this long lol … here’s some advice:

–Start early. I started working on my essays when the applications came out, and still found myself working up until the deadline. You will have a lot more time to think about essays during August than during the school year, and knowing the prompts as early as possible will give you plenty of time to think about them.

–Use CC! Even though CC can give you some anxiety, I agree with what most other people are saying – it’s a great resource. CC gave me more information on what I was getting into, and, in a way, gave me something to hold onto as I went on this crazy journey. I understood the application process so much more than I would have without it, which actually helped with a lot of the anxiety. Especially if, like me a year ago, you don’t know anybody who’s gone through this process, look at some threads from this past/current application cycle before you start on your own.

–Online research is super important, but it won’t tell you everything. Pay attention on the tours. Look at the atmosphere of the school - do you want to be there for the next four years? My tours changed my view on all of my schools: some of them I liked a lot more than before, and some a lot less (and not because of the classes offered, or the facilities, but because the atmosphere didn’t seem right for me).

–Remember that you are a unique individual – the same school won’t work for everybody.

– I truly believe the AOs want what’s best for you. If you’re struggling in school or have a low SSAT score, work hard to boost it but also be true to yourself. Going to a very academically difficult school may not be in your best interests, so you likely won’t be accepted… which will save you from four very difficult years. A lot of people think that if you don’t get accepted to a school it means you weren’t right for the school (which, yes, is typically true) … but it also likely means the school wasn’t right for you. Don’t force yourself into being right for a school: it’s a four-year commitment.

–Be YOU. Be the person you want to be, not the person schools, friends, or family want you to be. The person going to boarding school is YOU. My essays put me through the difficult process of figuring out who I am and who I want to be, not the person other people see me as. I deleted a lot of drafts because they just didn’t feel like me. So, I don’t recommend taking any essay ideas from anybody else, or any recommendations besides grammar. Remember that if you go to boarding school, you are going alone. So develop your identity, learn about yourself, and write about that person.

–For essays: everything I wrote about and felt most confident about was what other people wouldn’t know as much about me. I wrote about what the bulleted points on my Candidate Profile couldn’t describe. Things that were important to me, even if they weren’t important to anybody else. Ex. a rock garden that helped me develop my identity… nobody but my close friends knew it was important to me, and even they didn’t know exactly how much it mattered to me… but that was where I found who I am, not the person other people think I am. I wrote about something that has mattered to me my entire life, even if I didn’t realize it. And that’s why essays are so important: your essays are YOU. So let them be you, and you will feel much more confident about them.

–Let yourself learn from this process. Don’t try to make your first draft the perfect essay, every school you tour a perfect fit, or all of your ideas about bs correct. You will learn so much about yourself and your hopes and dreams and expectations for life from this process. Let yourself go on a journey, and trust that, in the end, you’ll know a lot more than you did before.
If I could tell myself one year ago anything, I would say absolutely nothing: because I learned from the journey. From making mistakes. Let yourself make mistakes (but make sure you learn from them, and don’t make mistakes on your final essays, interviews, etc. … learn from your mistakes so your final drafts are the best they can be :slight_smile: ).

From all of these words, I hope you remember this: only YOU can define YOU. Take this opportunity to think about the person you are, and the person you want to grow into for the next four years. Embrace that person, and take the steps to become your best self. Don’t lie, don’t change, don’t forget who you are. You will be stuck with YOU for the next four years, regardless of the school you go to. So listen to yourself.

I wish you the best of luck, and I’m so excited for you… get ready to go on an amazing journey.

@CC4life and @ThatScorpio great points, especially about essays and being you!

Bump. Even though I’m not the OP, I feel like there are MANY people who are stressing out about M9 on CC that could provide A LOT of advice to future applicants (I’m looking at those of you on the freakout thread and the chances threads).

Just a small tip:
Safety schools help a lot with confidence. But LOVE YOUR SAFETY SCHOOL. Do NOT choose a safety school just so you can have a backup. Trust me, it helps the nerves a lot to love a school that you have a great chance with.

@lightningqueen12 YES. LOVE YOUR SAFETY SCHOOL. Please DO NOT apply to a school that you don’t want to go to… that’s not the point of a safety (I made this mistake). There are plenty of great schools with higher acceptance rates

Be yourself! I cannot stress how important this is. My mom tells me every night to never change. This process can pressure one to make himself or herself or themself into someone they’re not.

Check sports requirement!! Espescially if you are not an athlete. My only sport is swimming, I’m much more of an artsy kid. So one school I looked at would require three sports a year for freshmen, and I wasn’t sure if I could do the musical/play as well as swim. Turns out that I couldn’t, and so I didn’t apply to said school.