<p>I am struggling with the phrase “middle-class entitlement”. If he thinks a public education should be a given for anyone (the definition of entitlement), is he discriminating against lower-class income people? How gouche!</p>
<p>Oh I forgot this earlier. It is the height of hypocrisy to not fully quote me as you did John, after you complained I did that to you, when in fact I didn’t. The part of your statement I did not quote was irrelevant to the point I was making. The part of mine you didn’t quote is completely relevant.</p>
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That additional sentence makes all the difference in the world. That is so dishonest of you it is despicable, actually.</p>
<p>^^^again, you’re being disingenuous. The full quote was:</p>
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<p>to which you saw no contradiction, in the very next post.</p>
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OMG. Now you have to just be joking to get a rise out of me. That was not the full quote, which is the point to begin with. You wanted me to quote your incomplete and therefore highly misleading quote of me? Look at my post #73. The whole point is that your next post is inaccurate because you didn’t completely quote me in the first place, leaving out a key sentence. By doing that highly dishonest act, nothing afterwards is pertinent. Nothing disingenuous on my part in the least.</p>
<p>I think people can see by now you are either purposely being argumentative in a highly ridiculous way, or that you just have no idea what you are talking about.</p>
<p>^^if it was “incomplete”, you shouldn’t have answered it.</p>
<p>Yeah, OK. That makes sense. I am sure you would like to lie and just remain unchallenged on it.</p>
<p>Please tell me what school you attended so I can make sure I do not recommend it to anyone, ever.</p>
<p>Forget about Berkeley and UC being newly unaffordable for OOS students. Over the past generation, it’s become increasingly unaffordable for many INstate students, with a significant drop in state support. Not to mention that it’s now far harder to get into Cal then it was a generation ago. If a middle-class student from NYC can get into Cal these days, they’ve got strong enough stats to get into many other wonderful schools (and probably pick up some merit money). </p>
<p>California families with incomes like the OP’s are full-pay at UC, where the COA is around $30k. That compares with the $28k estimated EFC for the OP at Dartmouth. Even if middle-class NY residents could send their kids to UC for in-state rates, it would still be unaffordable.</p>
<p>I’m glad that this forum is a place where knowledgeable people can come together to assist those with questions. Not, you know, a place where arguments break out in every instance.</p>
<p>shoresea, have you found adequate information as to options for your situation?</p>
<p>Many state unis, expecially the better known ones, will gladly subsidize a highly desired student. I know kids with super high stats who did get awards from Michigan. They also will take kids with special talents or anything that brings the school to a higher level. This benefits the school, its students and its alums.</p>